Notorious Hollow Point bullets

[JJVP]

Do you carry any?

Toting a concealed weapon is bad enough, cops said. But Sanabria’s alleged turnstile blunder was even worse because the weapon was loaded with notorious hollow-point bullets.

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"Most civilians don’t carry hollow-points because they are more expensive,” said Kenneth Cooper, a certified New York state firearms and use-of-force instructor.

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[Beiruty]

The first is anti-gun , hater. The second is an idiot. If one thinks that 100 rd at $.60 each, is too much money to spend on carry ammo. I guess he would be better served with .22LR in pistol like a bob cat.

And NYers are living on an alien planet.

[JeepGuy79]

I carry winchester talon 45s in a +p I guess I am the devil.

[Teamless]

I wanted a re-run of an episode of Cops from Georgia - 2010 I think.
the cop asked the Perp, where did you get those hollow point bullets, "they are only for law enforcement"
the perp says "Wal-Mart" LOL

[RPB]

Article calls hollow points "cop killer bullets"
Do police there carry the "cop killer bullets?"
If yes:
why do police want to kill cops?
if not:
since the expanding bullets are less likely to over-penetrate, therefore are safer considering innocent bystanders;
why do police intentionally endanger innocent bystanders by NOT carrying hollow points?

Oh ... wait ... it's because they cost too much?

It's why I'd never visit up yonder, I hear that at birth they mandate and do a partial brain abortion.

That "Walk like an Egyptian" song needs re-writing to "Think like a New Yorker"

I wonder if I was a doctor I could get government funding to study CT scans/MRIs and compare contrast the areas of the brain's inactivity in New Yorkers versus sane populations capable of logical rational thought.

Oh well, back to important things, I wish they made Sheldon's shirts in extra tall, http://www.sheldonshirts.com/sheldon.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Heartland Patriot]

You have to look at the market for the NY Post...yes, folks in a lot of places read it, but its primarily for consumption up there...and keeping people up there ignorant about this stuff is all part of the game. They don't report "the news", they spin it into propaganda. My disgust with "the media" and "journalists" will not be abated any time soon, I'm certain of that.

[Excaliber]

A few notes on the propaganda piece masquerading as a news article:

1. Don't blame New York here. You have to understand the context to get what's going on. The incident occurred in a station for the PATH train between New York and New Jersey. The officers were Port Authority (PA) officers (not NYPD) who patrol facilities operated by the Port Authority. The PA is an interstate agency and their officers have jurisdiction in both states in order to make policing transportation that crosses state lines practical. Many are from New Jersey, where possession of a single hollow point round by a civilian is a felony. It is not an offense at all in New York, where you can readily buy hollowpoints in any store that sells ammunition, as the miscreant in the article revealed.

2. The officer who was quoted was clearly poorly informed about the ballistic reality that hollow point rounds are slightly more readily stopped by bullet resistant vests than solid points. From this point of view, they could be called "cop saver" bullets with some thin justification. The core reality however is that the difference between a cop killer round and a thug stopper round isn't in the composition or configuration of the projectile - it's in the use it's put to by the person who fires it.

3. Many officers in this area, particularly those from NJ, have been heavily propagandized to the point of brainwashing. The nonthinkers buy into this hook line and sinker, and proudly spout the type of nonsense that comes from the ignorant because they figure their bosses will really like what they said (probably true). The fact that they are police officers makes this more visible and embarrassing, but there's little difference between an ignorant citizen and an ignorant cop, other than the fact that some folks think all cops know what they're talking about. This is no more true with cops than it is with any other occupation.

[03Lightningrocks]

Thanks for the explanation. Remembering your history from some of your posts on this forum, I have no doubt you know of what you speak.

The only sidebar I would like to mention is something I noticed back when I would travel to that part of the country while drag racing. One of our big races was at Englishtown. You probably know the area. It use to amuse me how many of the fellers from the Jersey area perceived guns. I think they saw them as having a soul or something. "Guns are bad" seemed to be the prevailing thought. Hollow point bullets were even more evil. Just the sight of a hollow point round would cause a major controversial conversation. I always laughed and blamed it on something in the water.

Then you could drive a few miles over the border into PA and find friendlies. It was strange for a feller coming from a State as large as Texas to realize fifty miles is all that separated liberal strongholds from conservative strongholds. I always found that part of the country interesting but never thought I would want to live in it.

[tbrown]

[JeepGuy79]

^^^^^HAHAHAHA!!!!

[Wes]

I have Federal Personal Defense, Low Recoil, Hydra-Shock Hollow Points loaded in all three of my hand guns for carry purposes. They are pricier and I wouldnt use them for everyday shooting, but I dont exactly plan to use it every day. I have enough on hand for three full mags in each gun and I have shot a box of them through each as well.

[Excaliber]

Thanks for the explanation. Remembering your history from some of your posts on this forum, I have no doubt you know of what you speak.

The only sidebar I would like to mention is something I noticed back when I would travel to that part of the country while drag racing. One of our big races was at Englishtown. You probably know the area. It use to amuse me how many of the fellers from the Jersey area perceived guns. I think they saw them as having a soul or something. "Guns are bad" seemed to be the prevailing thought. Hollow point bullets were even more evil. Just the sight of a hollow point round would cause a major controversial conversation. I always laughed and blamed it on something in the water.

Then you could drive a few miles over the border into PA and find friendlies. It was strange for a feller coming from a State as large as Texas to realize fifty miles is all that separated liberal strongholds from conservative strongholds. I always found that part of the country interesting but never thought I would want to live in it.

In celebration of the difference, the PA folks used to maintain a sign at the exact center of one of the bridges between the two states. It stated something along the lines of: You have left New Jersey. Welcome to the United States.

I don't remember which bridge or know if it's still there, but it spoke volumes about how the PA folks felt about what goes on in NJ.

[C-dub]

I must be rich. I have one or two of those EHPBs. (Evil Hollow Point Bullets)

[wgoforth]

a CHL instructor and former cop I know, Robert Green, called Kenneth Cooper today... and he said he was actually a very nice fellow and was furious the paper distorted his words. He said he never used the term "cop killer bullets" that the editor added that. And that what he said was most thugs use FMJ's because they are cheap.

[Thomas]

a CHL instructor and former cop I know, Robert Green, called Kenneth Cooper today... and he said he was actually a very nice fellow and was furious the paper distorted his words. He said he never used the term "cop killer bullets" that the editor added that. And that what he said was most thugs use FMJ's because they are cheap.

Texas is a one-party state, so let's say you were giving an interview and you secretly were recording it. Then let's say the newspaper grossly misquoted you. Is there any legal remedy?

Sec. 73.001. ELEMENTS OF LIBEL. A libel is a defamation expressed in written or other graphic form that tends to blacken the memory of the dead or that tends to injure a living person's reputation and thereby expose the person to public hatred, contempt or ridicule, or financial injury or to impeach any person's honesty, integrity, virtue, or reputation or to publish the natural defects of anyone and thereby expose the person to public hatred, ridicule, or financial injury.

If I was an upstanding person who dealt with guns professionally, I think that would expose me to ridicule in the gun community as well as subject me to financial injury because gun people wouldn't take me seriously as a professional and take their business elsewhere. Would I have to prove financial injury?