Would you pull over?? I know I wouldn't

[The Annoyed Man]

By the way, there are much more cost effetive methods to slow people down in neighborhoods, including speed cushions or actual speed bumps.

And I agree. I don't have a problem with people wanting to put speed bumps on a residential street—whether or not it is part of an HOA. A resident family's right to have a safe place for their children trumps some inconderate jerk's right to speed down their street.

My objection is to the idea that some wannabe rentacop who thinks that he's on a mission from God and believes that he has some kind of right under the ninja code to jack with people any way he wants to.....as though black tactical cargo pants and a big flashlight are the equivalent of a sworn law enforcement officer's badge. My disdain extends to HOA officers who are petty martinets and who are drawn to the position because they have a sick need to lord it over others because their petty little lives aren't enough for them.

There are good and honorable private security guards. And there are good and honorable HOA officials. But there are also plenty of the other sort who seem to draw their self-worth from bullying other people. A pox on them..

[Keith B]

Here is an article that sounds like the person may be a realtor. http://discoverspringtexas.com/2010/05/ ... community/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She is stating that in gated communities in Spring the HOA is responsible for the street miantenance, so it would in turn be like jmra was stating that there couls be HOA enforcement of CC&R's if they have that written into the rules.

[PUCKER]

pulling over is legal detention, i.e you can't leave, it is a kind of "kidnapping" if done by none LEO. I say they have no legal base to pull you over.

Did you ever see, security guards at the mall pulling over cars?, nope!

Sadly, yes, well, they *tried* it on me, once... ...but they could not keep up, they even followed me onto public streets where they were very quickly lost...this was in my *much* younger years. Apparently the North Hills Mall rentacops didn't get the memo that a 5.0 GT beats a Dodge Ramcharger...but I think they figured it out that night.

[puma guy]

Top Gun and Legend ranch are going to lose big time on this one when someone in the DPS does their job. Beginning with Red and Blue lights to impersonating - It is illegal... period.
EDIT: Not talking about a trooper but the authorities in Austin DPS. They need to make examples of them and come down hard! This undermines the ability of citizens to know they are being stopped by legitimate LEO's. I won't even get started on HOA and POA's.

[bayouhazard]

pulling over is legal detention, i.e you can't leave, it is a kind of "kidnapping" if done by none LEO. I say they have no legal base to pull you over.

You mean like asking to see your receipt before you leave the store?

[E.Marquez]

pulling over is legal detention, i.e you can't leave, it is a kind of "kidnapping" if done by none LEO. I say they have no legal base to pull you over.

You mean like asking to see your receipt before you leave the store?

You stop and talk to those folks? I never have, smile, be polite say no thank you and keep on walking.. NOT ONCE has anything ever been said.

[puma guy]

I was discussing this at lunch with a friend and he posed a very interesting question. If the streets are private property of the HOA by what authority do they set and enforce speed limits? I would think without covenants and specific stipulations in the agreement homeowners sign at closing on rules pertaining to speed etc they'd be unenforceable any way. One other thing he mentioned and I don't know whether he is correct or not. He thought that streets that tie into and connect public thoroughfares become public roads. I don't know if that's true or not, any one know?

If the streets are property of the HOA wouldn't they be liable and be susceptible to lawsuits that normally would be disallowed under the protection governments have?

[Katygunnut]

I was discussing this at lunch with a friend and he posed a very interesting question. If the streets are private property of the HOA by what authority do they set and enforce speed limits? I would think without covenants and specific stipulations in the agreement homeowners sign at closing on rules pertaining to speed etc they'd be unenforceable any way.

I'm very interested in this answer. On the one hand, it doesn't make any sense that someone could post legally enforcable speed limits or other restrictions on their property. For example, I can post a sign saying that no twinkies are allowed on my property, but that doesn't make it a crime to walk into my house with one in your pocket.

On the other hand, I have been in a number of gated communities that have speed limit signs posted. These sure look like they are at least claiming to have the force of law, and the streets in at least some of these communities must be privately owned, right?

In addition to speed limit signs, the same question would apply to stop signs, etc.

[speedsix]

...the key is private or public street...a stop sign within a Home Dippy parking lot is not enforceable...one out at the edge of the lot at the exit to the street isn't either...but there's a law in Texas traffic laws that says stop before entering the roadway when coming onto it from private property...and that one will bite you in the butt if you come sailing off the lot into traffic...

[03Lightningrocks]

There is a drag strip in Ennis Texas. They have posted speed limit signs on the road leading to the pits from the end of the drag strip. They will and do write legally enforceable speeding tickets... ALL THE TIME! I was pulled over once and told to slow it down. I did not argue with the off duty cop. A buddy of mine did get a ticket and he did have to pay the thing. The off duty cops actually write the tickets... maybe this makes it different... AFAIK, that drag strip and the property it sits on is ALL private property. I could not tell you if it was a moving violation that went on his record or not. Until now, I never thought about it.

BTW... the cop was on a golf cart...LOL. I was in a high ten second truck. I was a bit confused when he lit me up with the police flashing lights and the thought of "speeding away" never crossed my mind. I heard a saying once... "You may outrun the vehicle but you won't outrun the radio".

[puma guy]

There is a drag strip in Ennis Texas. They have posted speed limit signs on the road leading to the pits from the end of the drag strip. They will and do write legally enforceable speeding tickets... ALL THE TIME! I was pulled over once and told to slow it down. I did not argue with the off duty cop. A buddy of mine did get a ticket and he did have to pay the thing. The off duty cops actually write the tickets... maybe this makes it different... AFAIK, that drag strip and the property it sits on is ALL private property. I could not tell you if it was a moving violation that went on his record or not. Until now, I never thought about it.

BTW... the cop was on a golf cart...LOL. I was in a high ten second truck. I was a bit confused when he lit me up with the police flashing lights and the thought of "speeding away" never crossed my mind. I heard a saying once... "You may outrun the vehicle but you won't outrun the radio".

I know the track you're talking about. All I can say is Ennis is in the infamous I45 speedtrap corridor, so the JP and Judges probably enforce any money making traffic stop enterprises they can Just Kidding JP's and Judges! BTW I drive a Black tricked out Cadillac Escalade with black tinted windows blacked out tail lights, license plate frame with smoke tinted cover and blue after market HID headlights!
I don't see how the traffic violations would be enforceable if it is indeed private property.

[PUCKER]

I've raced many a time years ago at the TX Motorplex out at Ennis, fun place! Interesting about the "speeding tickets" on private property, I would really like to know how that worked out in court.

[03Lightningrocks]

There is a drag strip in Ennis Texas. They have posted speed limit signs on the road leading to the pits from the end of the drag strip. They will and do write legally enforceable speeding tickets... ALL THE TIME! I was pulled over once and told to slow it down. I did not argue with the off duty cop. A buddy of mine did get a ticket and he did have to pay the thing. The off duty cops actually write the tickets... maybe this makes it different... AFAIK, that drag strip and the property it sits on is ALL private property. I could not tell you if it was a moving violation that went on his record or not. Until now, I never thought about it.

BTW... the cop was on a golf cart...LOL. I was in a high ten second truck. I was a bit confused when he lit me up with the police flashing lights and the thought of "speeding away" never crossed my mind. I heard a saying once... "You may outrun the vehicle but you won't outrun the radio".

I know the track you're talking about. All I can say is Ennis is in the infamous I45 speedtrap corridor, so the JP and Judges probably enforce any money making traffic stop enterprises they can Just Kidding JP's and Judges! BTW I drive a Black tricked out Cadillac Escalade with black tinted windows blacked out tail lights, license plate frame with smoke tinted cover and blue after market HID headlights!
I don't see how they'd be traffic violations would be enforceable if it is indeed private property.

Holy Smoley!!! That thing just screams Gangsta! I bet you do get pulled over once in awhile. Yeah... i don't know if it was enforceable... I know it was a real live ticket for speeding issued by a hired off duty cop and payable to the City of Ennis. I saw the ticket. We were laughing about the absurdity of getting a speeding ticket for going over ten MPH at the drag strip. I also don't know if he tried to fight it. Speeding tickets for a bunch of guys that drag race are pretty common. we usually don't follow up with each other about them. This had to be three or four years ago... maybe a five???

[philip964]

Our subdivision hires Constables. Its not that hard. They are very professional, after all, they are real law enforcement.