McAllen man killed by pirates on Falcon Lake

[boba]

The story has gone national. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... s/national" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[WildBill]

The story has gone national.

Good! It's about time.

[cbr600]

The Mexican government leaps into action!

Mexican authorities are searching for a pair of brothers they suspect in the reported border lake shooting of a missing American, a police official in the Mexican border state of Tamaulipas said on Sunday.

David Hartley has not been seen since the reported Sept. 30 attack on Falcon Lake on the Rio Grande.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/met ... 40824.html


Considering the piracy, et cetera, I thought for a moment this was a typo.

Falcon Lake is a dammed section of the Rio Grande, 25 miles long and 3 miles across.

[The Annoyed Man]

We ought to knock down our half of the dam. That will bring the narco terrorists within rifle range.

[flintknapper]

Saw Geraldo Rivera on Fox news a couple of nights ago still doubting the incident (of course).

He wanted to know why the searchers had not found the jet ski.

Well....lets see here........A JET SKI, unattended...in MEXICO= Stolen in a matter of minutes you nitwit!

And this is supposed to be an educated man.

[longtooth]

Yes sir,
But he educated way beyond his real intelignece.

[NOS]

Yes sir,
But he educated way beyond his real intelignece.

[TxKimberMan]

Mexican investigator in Falcon Lake case beheaded
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/12/tex ... tml?hpt=T2

This should get interesting now.

[RPB]

I believe this is all a big hoax.
It says right here guns are illegal in Mexico.
http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/tijuana/warning.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Any person in the Brady Bunch will tell you that Mexico is a gun-free zone, so it is all safe there and this couldn't happen.

Also interesting is :
http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/avoid-crime-in-baja.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"How to avoid being a victim of crime..."
"Kidnapping, including the kidnapping of non-Mexicans, continues at alarming rates."


So, if the Brady people ever got ALL guns to be made illegal to own, we'll be as safe as Mexico.

[WildBill]

Another update

Mexican investigator probing lake shooting slain
By APRIL CASTRO and OLGA RODRIGUEZ – 1 hour ago

AUSTIN, Texas — A Mexican police commander investigating the disappearance of an American tourist on a border lake plagued by pirates was killed, U.S. and Mexican officials said Tuesday.

Rolando Flores, the commander of state investigators in Ciudad Miguel Aleman who was part of a group investigating the reported shooting of David Hartley, was killed, said Ruben Rios, spokesman for the Tamaulipas state prosecutor's office.

Rios said authorities "don't know how or why he was killed. We don't have any details on how he died."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... =D9IQD9QO0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[The Annoyed Man]

Another update

Mexican investigator probing lake shooting slain
By APRIL CASTRO and OLGA RODRIGUEZ – 1 hour ago

AUSTIN, Texas — A Mexican police commander investigating the disappearance of an American tourist on a border lake plagued by pirates was killed, U.S. and Mexican officials said Tuesday.

Rolando Flores, the commander of state investigators in Ciudad Miguel Aleman who was part of a group investigating the reported shooting of David Hartley, was killed, said Ruben Rios, spokesman for the Tamaulipas state prosecutor's office.

Rios said authorities "don't know how or why he was killed. We don't have any details on how he died."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... =D9IQD9QO0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's the followup: http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/12/tex ... index.html

The investigator was decapitated, and his severed head delivered to the local military office in a suitcase. Here is a provocative story from our past history, given the ongoing situation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa_Expedition

The Pancho Villa Expedition – officially known in the United States as the Mexican Expedition[1], but sometimes referred to colloquially as the "Punitive Expedition" – was a military operation conducted by the United States Army against the paramilitary forces of Mexican insurgent Francisco "Pancho" Villa from 1916 to 1917. The expedition was in retaliation for Villa's illegal incursion into the United States and attack on the village of Columbus, Luna County, New Mexico, during the Mexican Revolution.

The official beginning and ending dates of the Mexican Expedition are March 14, 1916 and February 7, 1917.

[hangfour]

I don't know but this whole incident seems a bit 'fishy' to me. Given that my primary strategy for dealing with assault is to escape, I can't imagine that one could not evade 'pirates' on a jet ski. I wonder what the real story might be.

[Kythas]

I don't know but this whole incident seems a bit 'fishy' to me. Given that my primary strategy for dealing with assault is to escape, I can't imagine that one could not evade 'pirates' on a jet ski. I wonder what the real story might be.

Apparently, they were fired upon while taking pictures of an underwater church. The husband was immediately hit in the head and the pirates missed the wife. The wife then gunned her jetski back to the U.S. side (yes, they were on the Mexican side of the lake when this happened). There are eyewitness third party accounts of the wife being pursued back to the U.S. side by a boat, but the boat broke off contact when she reached the shore.

So, if they were stationary with their attention on taking pictures of the underwater church, and were fired upon while doing so before realizing there was any danger to escape from, it sounds plausible to me.

[Katygunnut]

I don't know but this whole incident seems a bit 'fishy' to me. Given that my primary strategy for dealing with assault is to escape, I can't imagine that one could not evade 'pirates' on a jet ski. I wonder what the real story might be.

Apparently, they were fired upon while taking pictures of an underwater church. The husband was immediately hit in the head and the pirates missed the wife. The wife then gunned her jetski back to the U.S. side (yes, they were on the Mexican side of the lake when this happened). There are eyewitness third party accounts of the wife being pursued back to the U.S. side by a boat, but the boat broke off contact when she reached the shore.

So, if they were stationary with their attention on taking pictures of the underwater church, and were fired upon while doing so before realizing there was any danger to escape from, it sounds plausible to me.

Why in the heck would someone cross into Mexico by water, without using any type of check-point. Surely if they were close enough to the shore, they realized they were in Mexican waters, unless they thought the south shore was part of Texas (being that they were in the Rio Grande, this assumes a pretty fundamental lack of knowledge of geography).

Better question is why they were not on active / high alert while in Mexican waters. I'm at a loss as to why anyone would go remotely close to that side of the lake.

[RPB]

I believe one story said they also owned a house in Mexico.
I still see fishermen posting fishing forums about going there to fish and tournaments, but to stay on our side of that buoy that divides Mexico from the US, because bullets can't cross over it or something.

I guess if you "feel" safe, your guard is down.
Since both Universities and Mexico are "gun free" they feel as safe at one as the other.
(and sadly, they probably are ... Luby's was "gun free" once too)