Why did the Secret Service anti sniper wait until the sniper fired to kill him? Needed permission?Rules of engagement? B

[philip964]

Why did the Secret Service anti sniper wait until the sniper fired to kill him? Needed permission?Rules of engagement? Broken no laws? Part of the plan? Inquiring minds want to know.

[eyedoc]

Why was access to the roof not secured is the question I have.

[Grayling813]

Why did the SS and police ignore the warnings from citizens that there was a person with a rifle on the roof of a building with clear line of sight to the stage?

[G.A. Heath]

The counter sniper team was not Secret Service, but local LEOs if I understand it correctly. It is possible that they believed the shooter was from the Secret Service or another agency based on his position (It's a position I would have assigned a team to, even if it was just to secure the location, if I was in charge of security).

[PriestTheRunner]

The counter sniper team was not Secret Service, but local LEOs if I understand it correctly. It is possible that they believed the shooter was from the Secret Service or another agency based on his position (It's a position I would have assigned a team to, even if it was just to secure the location, if I was in charge of security).

If you watch the snipe video, it also looks like he has to look through a tree and move his rifle tripod in order to get a shot. Sounds like the guy stayed out of their direct line of sight.

[philip964]

https://x.com/susancrabtree/status/1812 ... 41170?s=46

This is saying rules of engagement are reactive with Secret Service.

Shooter has to fire first.

[E10]

“The USSS has access to all the best imagery and elevation data,” the military expert told RCP. “I’m not saying they didn’t [use drones], but it’s an open question.”

Imagery and elevation data, my hind leg. You could stand at the podium and see that the shooter’s rooftop is a location of concern. There should have been someone up there, or at least someone watching it. 130, 140, 150 yards is an easy shot, even with irons. I suspect the shooter didn’t properly zero the rifle. Lucky for Trump.

If she had any honor (I suspect she does not), the head of the Secret Service would resign after such a fiasco.

[G.A. Heath]

I don't know about you but an untrained shooter who was rejected by the school shooting team taking a 130 yard head shot with iron sights on a hot metal roof and clipping the targets ear while knowing that the moment he pressed the trigger that he was signing his death warrant is pretty impressive. Was it skill or luck? Who knows. The history that we are hearing says it would be luck but he may have had some form of performance anxiety when the reported bad shooting incidents happened. Then again we can't discount luck because it and God saved Trump.

[2farnorth]

I think there may be a bit more that will come out in time. I saw a story about a Sheriff's Deputy that supposedly tried to engage the shooter but had to take cover when the shooter pointed the AR at him. Before the deputy could recover the shooter took his shots. If the deputy had gotten back up in time the SS sniper may shot him also.
I say this with the understanding that there are a bunch of misleading or fabricated stories out there. This one was from a supposed witness to this particular part of the event.
Also from the pitch of the shooter's roof the shooter may not been in sight of the SS sniper until he popped up to shoot. If the story about the deputy is true then the shooter had hurried his shots and did a "spray and pray".

edit: Big question is how did the shooter know that his area was not covered beforehand????

[Paladin]

Watch: New Video Shows Trump Shooter Climbing To Roof - People Warning Police

The time between Crooks being sighted and shots fired was reportedly around three minutes; more than enough opportunity for security personnel get on the radio and warn Secret Service agents on the stage to remove Trump and take him to safety. This was apparently never done.

The number of violations of basic SS security rules are too many to be pure coincidence. Nothing about the event makes any sense if one assumes the goal of the Secret Service leadership was to keep Trump alive.

[PriestTheRunner]

... There should have been someone up there, or at least someone watching it. 130, 140, 150 yards is an easy shot, even with irons. I suspect the shooter didn’t properly zero the rifle. Lucky for Trump.

So the shooter didn't miss. Trump turned his head EXACTLY as the trigger was pressed (think of the 3/4 sec shot break to impact delay). Yes that's a miss because of movement, but only barely.

See this video for timing of head movement vs the shot. He barely survived by the grace of God.

First 8 seconds.

And protectees OFTEN wear rifle rated soft armor for public events so upper center mass is a no go in their eyes.

See attached photo for the head angle:

Note, the quarter profile and the straight on head positions were barely a second apart. Even an experienced sniper could have missed that due to the suddenness of the movement.

The real questions are 1. How did he know to go to THAT EXACT ROOFTOP
2. Why was the outer perimeter so close in, normally it's way farther out
3. Why was that roof not secured and the shooter knew to go there
4. Why did no one act sooner?

[PriestTheRunner]

Also important to note, the counter snipers were set up where they were blind to the shooters position and advance. Who knew where the counter snipers were going to be? Definitely not the 20 year old kid.

[carlson1]

USSS has a lot of questions that they need to answer. I doubt very seriously we will get those answers. I heard a retired USSS say on the radio that the snipers may have been looking past the killer since they are trained to shoot 1000 yard targets. He also said if they didn’t see a weapon they couldn’t engage. He said the rifle could have been hid by a piece of gutter or tin, etc…. The one video I seen the killer had the rifle on his shoulder. I also didn’t see a scope.

[Paladin]

Also important to note, the counter snipers were set up where they were blind to the shooters position and advance. Who knew where the counter snipers were going to be? Definitely not the 20 year old kid.

Very interesting. The 20 year old was clearly not a professional... so just this alone suggests he had some assistance

[Grayling813]

There's no way a rooftop with a clear view of the stage should have been unprotected. Saw a video of a guy who was at a previous Trump rally who said there were counter-sniper teams on every rooftop he could see around the rally. His observation was that this rally was seriously under-manned.