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DO NOT POST DIRECT DPS PHONE NUMBERS!!!

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Don't even think of posting the direct line phone numbers to the DPS Director or anyone else within DPS. If the number isn't available on the DPS...

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Woman robbed in Walmart parking lot

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by Songbird » Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:53 pm

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She made several mistakes and by doing so, set herself up to be a victim. I wish we could educate...

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ELB, very true about his stance on guns, I try to balance out his message with a plead to disregard his stupidity about it. I had never read a book...

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Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:24 pm
Poor SA?

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by chasfm11 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:29 am

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WTAE.Com 12:25 AM EDT Oct 09, 2012

Seeing the video, the options for the teacher appear very limited. He would have to have maintained eye contact...

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Yeah, sometimes the cards are just against you.

There are things one can do to limit the risk, but in that situation the only thing I can think is...

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Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:11 pm
Boston Man Arrested At LAX With Weapons, Body Armor

Last post by C-dub « Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:32 pm
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by threoh8 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:18 pm

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Well, if I HAD to go to Boston ...

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He brought them from Japan, I think. His flight originated in Japan and had a layover in LA. I also wondered what was illegal about any of that...

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Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:32 pm
PA LEO killed by cold case murder suspect/career criminal.

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by surprise_i'm_armed » Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:20 am

The above link is the story of a good man, a Marine vet, who was killed in the line of duty by a career criminal.
The BG allegedly killed his...

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Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:20 am
Gunman opens fire in NJ car; 2 killed, 3 wounded

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by JJVP » Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:13 pm

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Here in TX, you are correct. But in NJ, I doubt they have anything like MPA. NJ is a may issue state and very few people have CHL's. Most likely,...

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Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:37 am
LEO impersonator demands free McDonalds

Last post by tacticool « Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:44 pm
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by TXPPQ » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:08 am

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A 33 year old man pretending to be a police officer drives to a McDonalds and demands free food.

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:nono:

The Hamburglar

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Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:44 pm
Miramar dad called a hero after shooting masked intruder

Last post by baldeagle « Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:25 am
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by JJVP » Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:42 pm

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Lesson: intruders aren't going to stand where you can see them through the peephole. Find another way to see who's at the door? - a nearby window,...

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Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:25 am
Border Patrol Agent killed in Arizona

Last post by psijac « Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:06 am
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by TXPPQ » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:49 pm

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A Border Patrol agent is killed and another is wounded while responding to a tripped sensor...

Makes you wonder if they were just in the wrong place...

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still sounds fishy. why were they shooting to begin with?

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Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:06 am
AK-47 or SKS-type rifle Robbery -Dallas

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by knotquiteawake » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:52 pm

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Couple of things that I think many of us would have going against us in those robberies:
- LIght...

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Watching the video the BG with the AK does not seem to worry about the customer behind him. The fact that he is wearing a hoodie is a plus because...

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Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:05 pm
Thieves steal sidewalk from womans house

Last post by Jim Beaux « Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:59 pm
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by TXPPQ » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:18 pm

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Just goes to show that people are willing to steal just about anything...

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Moving Sidewalks? That was our own BILLY GIBBONS! :coolgleamA:

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Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:59 pm
Woman in hospital after home invasion

Last post by Jumping Frog « Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:17 am
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by MikeStone » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:15 am

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Woman in hospital after home invasion:

This hits really close to home for me. Kingwood is a rather nice area...at least it used to be.

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Same people wonder why I won't open the door.

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Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:17 am
American in Israel kills one, shot by cops

Last post by seamusTX « Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:53 am
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by seamusTX » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:21 am

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A 23-year-old American man from New York grabbed a weapon from a security guard and fatally shot a hotel employee with whom he had an ongoing...

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P.S.: This incident occurred in Eilat, which is a resort on the Gulf of Aqaba, the southernmost point in Israel. It looks just like Galveston,...

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Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:53 am
In a blink of an eye...

Last post by TXPPQ « Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:56 am
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by Beiruty » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:24 am

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One unarmed dead and one highly esteemed LEO career could be ruined.

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Such a tragic loss of life, I wonder if the shooting was even intentional or did the officer get caught up in the moment and had a ND.

Kinda like...

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Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:56 am
Homeowner shot outside front door

Last post by C-dub « Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:36 pm
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by MikeStone » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:03 pm

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Homeowner shot outside front door:

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The motive is unknown? It might be unknown to the police, but I bet Lucky knows why he was shot and possibly by who.

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Last post by C-dub
Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:36 pm
Burglar killed & accomplice wounded

Last post by mamabearCali « Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:16 pm
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by RPB » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:28 pm

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Burglar killed & accomplice wounded at N. Indiana home
Thursday, October 4, 2012
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When are these guys going to get a clue......don't break into homes in TX. People around here have guns and will use them. Want to live a life of...

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Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:16 pm
Officer shoots suspect after chase

Last post by TXPPQ « Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:10 pm
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by MikeStone » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:01 pm

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Officer shoots suspect after chase:

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Sure looks like he wanted to commit suicide by cop... 3 LEOs to 1 BG and he even did them the favor of aggressively leaning out the window to give...

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Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:10 pm
Two Dead in Shooting at Florida VFW Post

Last post by seamusTX « Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:07 pm
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by Kythas » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:21 pm

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An unknown number of people walked into a Florida VFW post this morning and opened fire, killing two and wounding one.

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They are sovereign citizens who are oppressed by the strictures of bourgeois society.

:roll:

- Jim

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Last post by seamusTX
Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:07 pm
CA woman fatally shot after allegedly driving into border ag

Last post by TXPPQ « Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:16 pm
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by MikeStone » Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:41 pm
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Calif. woman fatally shot after allegedly driving into border patrol agent:

Uhm...maybe you shouldn't drive with an armed agent in your...

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You are probably right JAllen, but be it drugs or associating with known felons or maybe a combination of both she made her choice... Rather than...
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:16 pm
FL - Wounded shooting victim uses gun to fire back - again

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by JJVP » Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:51 pm

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Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:30 am
Business owners/clerks surprise robbers with guns

Last post by Jaguar « Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:42 am
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by RPB » Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:18 am

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Wichita business owner surprises robber with a gun
October 02, 2012
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and same incident
Armed business...

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Ah, got it. For some reason I had forgotten the biased media's attempts at social engineering.

Next one's on me. :cheers2:

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Last post by Jaguar
Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:42 am
Suspected armed robber falls asleep in homeo

Last post by RPB « Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:10 pm
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by barstoolguru » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:11 am

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Suspected armed robber, Justin Risner, falls asleep in homeowner's backyard

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robbing will...

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The criminals Union should be told.
That guy needs to take a break more often.
Though I doubt a jail break is in the cards for him.

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Last post by RPB
Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:10 pm
High School Senior is Shot and Killed by Own Brother

Last post by TXPPQ « Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:15 am

by TXPPQ » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:15 am

A high school senior is shot by his newly licensed 21 year old brother...

I wonder if by Newly Licensed do they mean CHL holder? I maybe mistaken...

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Last post by TXPPQ
Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:15 am
At least 6 dead in Minneapolis shooting

Last post by pinkpistol « Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:05 pm
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by TXPPQ » Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:02 pm
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A recently laid off employee returns hours later and begins shooting...

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I agree that lots of things can be made into self defensive weapons. Spray, even wasp spray, which will squirt ten feet , is good. Break a CD in...
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Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:05 pm
Hotel doorman shot after robbery; witnesses tackle gunman

Last post by tonzofphun « Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:58 pm
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by barstoolguru » Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:31 am

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Hotel doorman shot after robbery; witnesses tackle gunman
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thank god no one else got hurt grabbing a...

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I think it's all due to the valet/doorman who disarmed him, then everyone else jumped on the bg. You can overhear one of the other actors yell out, i...

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Last post by tonzofphun
Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:58 pm
South Houston Shooting & Stabbing

Last post by Maxwell « Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:49 pm
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by WildBill » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:32 pm

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South Houston police are looking for two men in a red Chevrolet Suburban who left the scene of an early Saturday shooting and stabbing. At about 3:30...

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South Houston. Why am I not surprised. Like any big city there are places to avoid at all costs...

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Last post by Maxwell
Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:49 pm
Eric Holder participated in ‘armed’ takeover of

Last post by E.Marquez « Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:14 pm
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by RPB » Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:02 pm

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October 1, 2012
As college student, Eric Holder participated in ‘armed’ takeover of former Columbia University ROTC office
Published: 11:56 PM...

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I bet this hits the main stream news organizations in 3, 2,….SQUIRREL

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Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:14 pm
Dad kills teen son during attempted burglary

Last post by TexasGal « Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:25 pm
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by JJVP » Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:25 am
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You got that right. I've noticed the same thing myself. Some kids are a handful and you do your best with them. Their peer group has a lot of...
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Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:25 pm
Univision Special Investigation About F&F

Last post by Kythas « Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:58 pm

by Kythas » Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:58 pm

Univision aired a new investigative piece on Fast and Furious today. This one targets the massacres south of the border that the F&F weapons have...

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Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:58 pm
Obama-Boyz gang member charged in St Louis shooting

Last post by Jaguar « Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:16 pm
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by JJVP » Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:36 pm

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:rolll rlol :smilelol5:

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Last post by Jaguar
Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:16 pm
Deputy Constable Shoots Man After Chase

Last post by barstoolguru « Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:06 pm
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by WildBill » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:21 pm

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A deputy constable shot a 32-year-old man accused of pulling out a semi-automatic weapon at a house party, kidnapping his girlfriend and leading...

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Katrina trash; washed up before the hurricane ever hit

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Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:06 pm
Woman Asks Friend for Help to Hide Dead Roommate

Last post by barstoolguru « Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:03 pm
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by WildBill » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:25 pm

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A 53-year-old woman was charged with fatally stabbing her roommate in the neck at their northwest Harris County apartment, authorities said. Deputies...

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I have an uncle in jersey that would do it and someone would be eating BBQ the next day

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Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:03 pm
Horseplay With Loaded Gun Kills Mechanic

Last post by WildBill « Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:46 am
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by Kawabuggy » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:28 pm
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I heard about this this morning from the place I buy parts. I'm in the transmission business as well....

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You guys get to have all the fun. :lol:
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Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:46 am
Arizona Car Chase Ends with Suicide on Live TV

Last post by SewTexas « Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:59 pm
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by beefmobile » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:39 pm

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I work in an operations center and have lots of live news streaming.

About 5 minutes ago, there was a live car chase in Arizona. At one point, the...

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ehhhh, Shep's somewhat Liberal, but I'm not sure what that has to do with this particular topic. It was a car chase.....they don't typically end with...

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Last post by SewTexas
Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:59 pm
2 arrested after victim shot robber - Mich

Last post by RPB « Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:49 pm
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by RPB » Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:42 pm

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2 arrested after victim shot robber

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Robber shot during holdup attempt charged with second robbery

An Athens (Georgia) man (Robber) who was shot by a west Athens businessman during an...

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Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:49 pm
League City: Another bogus cop

Last post by seamusTX « Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:35 pm
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by seamusTX » Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:11 am

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A man described as a heavyset Hispanic man in an orange Jeep pulled over a woman driver about 5 p.m. Wednesday in the parking lot of Hobby Lobby,...

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Yeah, they do. But I really don't want to go there.

- Jim

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Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:35 pm
Teens laughing while viciously beating woman

Last post by Heartland Patriot « Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:42 am
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by rp_photo » Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:05 pm

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I can't help but think that the outcome would have been better (as well as being less likely to happen...

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Not sure I've heard of that sort of thing going on in Texas. Not saying people don't get beat up, but not like that video.

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Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:42 am
Rowlett TX, Man robbed by daughter and friends

Last post by C-dub « Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:37 pm
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by knotquiteawake » Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:23 pm

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Close to home for me! Rowlett is not that big of a city.
Once again why I always answer the door...

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Yeah, how messed up would that be? You shoot and or kill one or more home invaders and your kid goes to prison. Whoa!

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Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:37 pm
Former firefighter shoots, kills home invader

Last post by philip964 « Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:53 pm
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by MikeStone » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:48 am

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Former firefighter shoots, kills home invader:

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A more recent story on the incident. What I have a little trouble with is the wording of the grand...

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Last post by philip964
Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:53 pm
Elderly woman shot by police after calling 911

Last post by mamabearCali « Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:15 pm
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by RPB » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:51 am
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Sep 26, 2012 - 4 hours ago

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This....we are thing to have to wait on the investigation. Police are human too and they are subject to all of humanities failings including being...
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Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:15 pm
UTPA student abducted on campus found (Criminal Safe Zone)

Last post by RPB « Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:12 am

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UTPA student abducted is found
by Action 4 News Staff
Posted: 2 hrs, 6 mins ago

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related prior...

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Last post by RPB
Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:12 am
Woman's Locked Deadbolt Wasn't

Last post by SRO1911 « Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:00 am
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by TexasGal » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:50 am

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Check your deadbolt installations on your doors. A young woman's home was easily broken into because the deadbolt on her door was not installed...

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My front door is locked for your protection, not mine.

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Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:00 am
69 YO homeowner shoots, kills 21 YO home invader

Last post by WildBill « Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:53 pm
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by johncanfield » Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:15 am

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We're currently in South Dakota and was on Rapid City news for the last day or so. I caught a glimpse of the homeowner and he was a big guy that...

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It could be an attack of the Killer Bovines!

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Last post by WildBill
Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:53 pm
Ft. Hood Soldier Shoots Another Soldier

Last post by Kythas « Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:44 pm
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by Kythas » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:08 pm

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A soldier at Ft Hood shot and killed another soldier while trying to cure his hiccups.

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I even did a forum search for the word hiccups and didn't see that.

Thanks.

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Last post by Kythas
Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:44 pm
Flint, MI:Marine vet uses Ruger 9MM, shoots BG.Tactics iffy.

Last post by Kythas « Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:13 pm
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by surprise_i'm_armed » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:19 am

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The GG here was a US Marine veteran holding a backyard party, around a fire, in Flint, Michigan at 100 AM.

Read the story first, then see if you...

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According to my fraternity big brother, who is the chief of medicine in a Baton Rouge emergency room, very few people survive gunshot wounds to their...

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Last post by Kythas
Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:13 pm
Texas Woman, Allegedly Shoots Husband Over Cat

Last post by Charles L. Cotton « Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:51 pm
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by barstoolguru » Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:07 pm

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so now the question is: does she have a right to protect her property? after all the cat was hers and he was going to shoot it !!

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There was a TV news report on this incident last night. She was charged with aggravated assault.

Chas.

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Last post by Charles L. Cotton
Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:51 pm
Texas soldier allegedly kills pal who had hiccups

Last post by beefmobile « Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:17 pm
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by barstoolguru » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:37 pm

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scared me just reading about it... :nono:

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a little too soon, but still funny.

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Last post by beefmobile
Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:17 pm
Good S.A.

Last post by johncanfield « Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:18 pm
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by JJVP » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:19 pm

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Good thing the ladies were alert and aware - kept them from being robbery victims.

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Last post by johncanfield
Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:18 pm
Tennessee Man Killed during Craigslist gun sale

Last post by VMI77 « Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:42 am
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by MikeStone » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:22 am

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Tennessee man shot and killed during Craigslist gun sale:

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Smells fishy. It doesn't make any sense to shoot the guy you supposedly intend to rob then jump in your car and take off without even trying to get...

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Last post by VMI77
Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:42 am
Flight attendant's gun goes off at airport security in Phila

Last post by Teamless « Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:16 am
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by MikeStone » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:10 am

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Flight attendant's gun goes off at airport security in Philadelphia:

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Last post by Teamless
Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:16 am
Women Use Pink Gun to Arrest Burglar

Last post by Thomas « Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:42 pm
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by Excaliber » Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:11 pm

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Two well prepared ladies used a pink gripped Taurus handgun to end a struggle with a burglar and hold him for police.

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What was this guy thinking? The cops sent me ? :smilelol5: With at least nine prior felony convictions he obviously was not thinking much.

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Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:42 pm

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