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by M2K
Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:15 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: She meant well but her actions were unwise
Replies: 60
Views: 7515

Re: She meant well but her actions were unwise

Excaliber wrote:
The current situation is demonstrably not safer for everyone since it leads to high victim counts whenever one of those safer thugs decides to go on a murder spree.

It's also clearly not safer for individual crime victims like the young lady cited in your example.

Maintaining a safe environment for violent thugs and a dangerous one for law abiding citizens is not what I expect from my elected representatives, and I back my opinions with my votes.

:iagree: Well said!
by M2K
Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:37 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: She meant well but her actions were unwise
Replies: 60
Views: 7515

Re: She meant well but her actions were unwise

speedsix wrote:
...no, he was absolutely correct...it WAS theft rather than robbery by law...you only quoted PART of what the act of robbery is...when you read the REST of the definition, then you have the explanation for why the charges were upgraded to aggravated robbery...which it WASN'T before she got stupid and climbed their car...the rest of the definition is part of the definition...and can't be ignored, if you want to understand what happened and why a theft turned into a robbery...after she intervened...
It doesn’t really matter as their actions are taken as a whole. Plus, it is now a felony charge instead of just petty theft. Yippee! :thumbs2:

Opinions may vary on what actions should have been taken by any person in any situation. A crime was apparently committed and only 1 honorable person took some type of action in this situation. There may have been more people willing to help but they may not have understood the situation. Without some type of verbal acknowledgment of rape, thieves, etc., one could easily assume it is a domestic dispute where the lady is taking it out on the husbands/friends car.

From the thieves’ calm demeanor and actions, I would not be surprised if they had not done this deed before and went unchallenged.
by M2K
Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:13 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: She meant well but her actions were unwise
Replies: 60
Views: 7515

Re: She meant well but her actions were unwise

"Police later found the men, who now face charges of evading arrest and aggravated robbery."

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by M2K
Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:53 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: She meant well but her actions were unwise
Replies: 60
Views: 7515

Re: She meant well but her actions were unwise

SQLGeek wrote:
M2K wrote: I totally disagree with the rest of your position. :tiphat:
All Keith said was that she put herself in danger by doing what she did...that's pretty much a fact, I don't know that you can dispute that. Jumping on a car to prevent somebody from going somewhere is fool's errand. There's a lady in Manteca, CA that could attest to that fact.
:smilelol5: I put myself in danger everyday when I cross the street in down town Dallas.
by M2K
Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:25 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: She meant well but her actions were unwise
Replies: 60
Views: 7515

Re: She meant well but her actions were unwise

Keith B wrote:
M2K wrote:This woman did the right thing for the right reasons. Her methods may be questioned but not her stance on the issue. The real question is why did none of the other nearby people jump in to help? Did she not yell thief? Or if she did, did the other shoppers just ignore the situation as most “worried about my own self preservation” people would.

Secondly, it’s not what was stolen but the fact a robbery occurred. To some people beer is dog gone important especially if it is MGD. In some households it is the main meal to be consumed with great gusto.
There was no robbery, just theft (shoplifting.) There was no threat of injury or to life, and since it was only theft in the daytime, she would not have been able to use a CHL to stop it. And, I don't care how important beer or any other minor property is (televisions, stereos, food, etc.) she put herself in danger when she tried to intervene as she did. Yelling, following to ge descriptions of them and vehicle, etc. would have been fine, but dancing on their car was way overboard.

You are possibly correct in stating that it was theft rather than robbery in the legal sense because the act of robbery is taking or attempting to take something of value by force or intimidation. I don’t know if someone was in fear.

I totally disagree with the rest of your position. :tiphat:
by M2K
Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:30 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: She meant well but her actions were unwise
Replies: 60
Views: 7515

Re: She meant well but her actions were unwise

This woman did the right thing for the right reasons. Her methods may be questioned but not her stance on the issue. The real question is why did none of the other nearby people jump in to help? Did she not yell thief? Or if she did, did the other shoppers just ignore the situation as most “worried about my own self preservation” people would.

Secondly, it’s not what was stolen but the fact a robbery occurred. To some people beer is dog gone important especially if it is MGD. In some households it is the main meal to be consumed with great gusto.

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