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Rex B wrote:

Purplehood wrote:

schufflerbot wrote: Now, where i draw a blank is this: what happens when someone is attacking you with their vehicle? it is most certainly considered a deadly weapon, i wonder how the courts would view this situation had you fired on him and injured/killed the driver.

You don't have a choice in that situation. You either evade or shoot the driver (preferably in that order). The hard part is convincing a Grand Jury (or further up the legal food-chain) that you were truly in fear for your life.

..or that those were your only two choices.

man, ive been in a situation where there was literally NOTHING i could do to get out of a road rage incident. my brother and i were in my GTO when a minivan with at least 3 people in it came up and started yelling and flinging their arms around, like we had done something wrong. we hadnt, as we had been sitting in one lane for the last 2 minutes at least, were in the middle of a conversation and werent even speeding. we both noticed them freaking out and yelling at us to pull over... we were on a 3 lane road with a curbed median and were in the middle lane - i gave them the 'huh?' palms up arm motion as if to say, 'why are you yelling at us?' and that just enraged these guys further. the driver sped up, i assumed to speed off... instead he cuts me off and SLAMS on his brakes.

now, luckily my car has upgraded brakes and i didnt rear end them... but it was close. he literally came to a dead stop in the middle of the road and when i saw a leg start to exit the passenger side of the van, i threw it in reverse and looked into my rearview. there were cars coming up on us and i couldnt tell how fast they were coming, so i couldnt back up. the driver and passenger were now out of the van, yelling at us and walking toward my car. the driver took his shirt off and the 3rd person got out.

i said, 'screw this' and hit the gas before they got to our doors. the driver threw his shirt at my car and they started to run at us, so i put the car in first and took off past them.

didnt see them again, but man... if i had my CHL and was armed at that time, i could totally see at least one dead/injured person from that incident.

not fun and i was literally scared for my/my brother's lives.

Purplehood wrote:

schufflerbot wrote: Now, where i draw a blank is this: what happens when someone is attacking you with their vehicle? it is most certainly considered a deadly weapon, i wonder how the courts would view this situation had you fired on him and injured/killed the driver.

if anyone has a precedent they can reference, im all ears.

You don't have a choice in that situation. You either evade or shoot the driver (preferably in that order). The hard part is convincing a Grand Jury (or further up the legal food-chain) that you were truly in fear for your life.

well, i dont know how hard that would be.

if you're on a freeway at night and someone is trying to ram your vehicle, or bring you to a stop after a road rage incident - i cant see anything good coming from any action other than out horsepowering them, or showing/using the weapon. granted, it would be your word against theirs so i dont know... maybe it would be nearly impossible to prove.

either way, im going to stay out of road rage situations if i can, lol.

agree with those who advise against showing your weapon in a situation like that. what if a cop had been sitting in his personal vehicle and seen the two of you pass by while you're waving a gun around?... what would his initial thoughts on the situation be and how would he have called it in to dispatch?

these are things you have to think about, even in a situation like that.

i understand the stress you undoubtedly had to endure while this was going on, but that's part of being a CHL... learning to deal with stressful situations in a calm, rational manner - then drawing your weapon ONLY when it's a definite life or death situation.

Now, where i draw a blank is this: what happens when someone is attacking you with their vehicle? it is most certainly considered a deadly weapon, i wonder how the courts would view this situation had you fired on him and injured/killed the driver.

if anyone has a precedent they can reference, im all ears.


glad this all turned out ok and if you havent already done this - id recommend calling the APD and reporting the whole thing.