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JALLEN wrote:

Medic624 wrote: Huh, interesting... I'll have to talk to my SIL about this ... he was recently honorably DC'd after 8 yrs as an operator with SEAL team 4. By his account he really liked SCARS and had used it very effectively while deployed.

Thank him for his service. I have a shirt from SEAL Team 4, given to me by my b-i-l who retired a few years ago as an O-6 SEAL, since, well, VN days.

I'm sure your S-I-L can get on and be welcomed at SOCNET.com and get the low-down as a BTDT, whatever it may be. I participate there as I know a couple of dozen SEALS, mostly retired O-5-O-6's now, and and NAVSPECWARCOM is right down the road from my house.

Thank you sir and I will ask him about this... And I will be sure to tell him you said, Thank You.

JALLEN wrote:

57moon wrote:Skiprr, Great comments and great advise.

Medic624, I had the same thoughts. We are not always going to be able to avoid a situation and we may not have the luxury of drawing to stop the threat. I did a little searching and learned of Target-Focus Training. A program designed by Tim Larkin that can import a basic sense of human 2 human threat mitigation. Check out the website at http://www.targetfocustraining.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I am studying the material and find it very valuable. Skiprr is right; awareness, avoidence, de-escelate and escape; but if that's not possible, and you can't draw; then the skills you learn from TFT very likely will save your life - but I present just one person's opinion.

Kindest Regards,

Uh, perhaps you ought to check out Tim Larkin. Word is he was banned from entering Britain this spring, perhaps for reasons that are entirely creditworthy, but he apparently has a poor reputation amongst SEALS, which according to them, he never was. They say he started BUD/S then dropped out before Hellweek with an eardrum problem injured in a civilian dive. His SCARS program is not well thought of either.

Anyway head on over to SOCNET.com and search on "Tim Larkin." There is whole thread devoted to him and SCARS.

Huh, interesting... I'll have to talk to my SIL about this ... he was recently honorably DC'd after 8 yrs as an operator with SEAL team 4. By his account he really liked SCARS and had used it very effectively while deployed.

ELB wrote:

Medic624 wrote:I've been seriously researching taking some kind of unarmed fighting style ... .

Good for you!

You didn't mention your age

Thanks everyone for such concise and thought out responses...

I just turned 43... And AMOK? I will have to research that... I've ALWAYS wanted to study Aikido but I will have to research the real world practicality as opposed to Krav Maga... But my issue is if it was commensurate and quickly learned to become relatively efficient in the art it would be taught to more agencies who do real world missions.

My son-in-law is a former Navy S.E.A.L. and he and I were talking about going to Krav Maga together. He said when he was on the team they taught them a fighting system called S.C.A.R.S. But, as far as I know they don't have schools available to learn their system. Krav Maga seems to provide real world solutions to real bad situations.

I've been seriously researching taking some kind of unarmed fighting style to augment or give options to the final solution of having to draw my weapon if placed in an escalating confrontational situation that I have no obvious means to be able to readily remove myself from...

My thought is... If I have other "tools" at my disposal to be better prepared if I am placed into a situation I can not remove myself from without some sort of "hands on" it only increases my ability to protect my family, my self etc...

An issue that has been on my mind lately..

IF... I'm in an unavoidable confrontation and the assailant is clearly unarmed but he is obviously going to get physical with me I just don't think it is "justifiable" or "right" in this circumstance to draw my weapon and escalate the incident to deadly force...and I know... We get into a tussle and he gets my weapon and then it gets real bad but...

Not that I'm have any reservations or feel I couldn't draw and (if needed shoot) BUT my issue is (despite the threat of violence) a jury of my peers will hear over and over and over how I shot an unarmed "GOOD" man who was a "LOVING" church going man who, sure he had some minor issues but was on his way "getting back on track!"

And, if I feel threatened enough, what happens if he is advancing, I feel my life is in danger, I draw and before I pull the trigger he stops well... Then what? does he say, "OH, WoW, Uh... my bad, I'm just gonna go and you have a nice day sir" and THEN what do I do??

SO...

I'm thinking I need to know other means to "diffuse" a situation...

I'm leaning toward either Krav Maga or Something similar

Anyone have experience with Krav Maga? There's what seems to be a pretty no nonsense place over here in Pearland that I was thinking about checking out.