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seeker_two wrote:1. Isn't that like saying that a gas station doesn't sell gas.....it just sells the service of pumping gasoline from an underground tank to your vehicle?

No, not at all. With gas, you are buying a product. And there is a very Real difference. I won't go into detail on this thread b/c that would be way off topic, but if you'd like to start a new thread and discuss that, we can

seeker_two wrote:all instructors "sell" CHL-100's

No they don't. They sell a service which includes 10 or more hours of class time and a range qualification test. The student, upon completion of these two prior's is given the CHL-100 form.

seeker_two wrote:I'm waiting for Bulldog1911 to answer my first three questions

The reason I didn't answer them is because I believe they have been adequately answered in several other posts. But, since you are, for some reason, wanting more answers(I assume because the answers previously given contradicted your beliefs), I will oblige:

seeker_two wrote:1. Who was victimized by the commission of this crime?

The "students" who did not receive the proper training that they 1) Paid for, and 2) are required to have by law.

seeker_two wrote:2. Why should taxpayer money be spent to prosecute this crime to the fullest?

seeker_two wrote:Would you want to expend state resources and taxpayer money to prosecute and imprison someone who did the same thing with Defensive Driving courses?.....or would you just make sure that instructor was never certified to teach Defensive Driving in Texas again?......

a. I fully support my tax dollars being used to convict criminals. I could give you a loooooong list of things that my tax dollars have been wasted on. Fighting crime is not something that would make that list.
b. I'd be ok with either option.

seeker_two wrote:3. Does the fact that some CHL holders did not attend the class yet have CHL's make the world a more dangerous place?

Quite possibly. I would compare this to those(some of my family members included ) that have taken the Utah, or Florida "way out" of getting their carry permit's. I know for a fact that some of these people had never shot a gun before in their lives, but yet they have been given permission to carry, and are also unaware of any Texas laws regarding concealed carry.

So, to sum it all up, prosecute this guy for the crime he committed!

seeker_two wrote:3. I'm still waiting for you to answer my first three questions.....

I believe loadedliberal answered your first three questions.

Either way, the issue is not whether it is fair to have to pay and go through training in order to get your CHL. The issue is that the law has been broken. The law says that the CHL class be taken and upon completion the instructor issue's the CHL100 form. Whether you like it or not, it's the law. There are a lot of laws that I don't agree with, but that does not give me(nor you, nor this guy) the right to break them.

seeker_two wrote:

Bulldog1911 wrote: So...it's ok to break the law if you don't believe it should be the law?

Shall we ask that question of the Founding Fathers, Rosa Parks, or Dr. ML King Jr.?........

Bulldog1911 wrote: I agree that there are too many restrictions on gun rights, but there are processes to change those. And guess what, until they change, it's the law. We as law-abiding citizens should respect that.

...and that's why we also have the process known as "jury nullification"....which I wouldn't mind seeing invoked in this particular instance....

How would you like to have a doctor operate on you that didn't actually attend medical school, but he was given an M.D. from Harvard?
Sure he has no training, but he has the paper. And you just need a little heart bypass...

seeker_two wrote:Shall we ask that question of the Founding Fathers, Rosa Parks, or Dr. ML King Jr.?........

Yes, and please let me know what they say

seeker_two wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:Seeker_two:

1) So I gather you're fine with instructors selling CHL-100's?
2) You'd be OK with a majority of, or all CHL instructors selling CHL-100's, instead of holding classes?
3) You believe, under those circumstances, when the state catches an instructor selling CHL-100's, it should just shrug it's shoulders, and state "No Harm, No Foul"?

I'd be fine with going to full Constitutional Carry or a CHL process where it doesn't take $200+ and months of waiting to get permission to practice a Constituional right to RKBA.....in some states, you can get your shall-issue CHL by going to the local police dept., filling out a form, and getting the CHL issued at that office.....imagine if you could get your CHL at the local DPS office instead of sending it in to an understaffed department in Austin....

I simply don't see any reason that Texas taxpayer money and prosecutorial time should be spent in pursuing this "crime" ......not unless one is OK with making sure that a money-making industry like CHL class instruction and DPS permit fees stay protected and ongoing......

So....how do YOU feel about Constitutional Carry?.....

So...it's ok to break the law if you don't believe it should be the law?
I agree that there are too many restrictions on gun rights, but there are processes to change those. And guess what, until they change, it's the law. We as law-abiding citizens should respect that.