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- by JP171
- Mon May 05, 2014 6:47 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Sign at entrance to property (not door)
- Replies: 88
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jbarn wrote:JP171 wrote:jbarn wrote:JP171 wrote:gringo pistolero wrote:TxFig wrote:A friend of mine recently posted this pic at the entrance to the new Scott & White hospital in College Station.
Assuming there is a similar sign at all of the entrances onto the property, is this a legal 30.06 sign? In other words, can it be at the entrance to the property, or does it have to be on DOORS?
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Not only does it look like a valid 30.06 sign, but the big print looks like it could be valid 30.05 notice for MPA.
I sure wouldn't want to be the test case.
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not even close as 30.05 states clearly that 30.05 cannot be used in the case of weapons so nope doesn't work
Actually 30.05 makes it a DEFENSE TO PRO SECTION if the reason was carrying a handgun under a CHL
pro section? what is pro section??? ok yes it is a defense to prosecution but if you leave then you cannot be prosecuted for criminal trespass at all. so if they are posting 30.06 and its incorrect or not valid you cannot be charged under that as an automatic crime and 30.05 has the defense to, so it takes verbal not written and no automatic crime, so GP's surmise that it could be valid under 30.05 is not a logical assumption. what I mean by verbal and not written is that written for CHL requires 30.06 and it MUST be as defined by the statute verbal is good no matter what section is applied
One can be prosecuted under 30.05 without any verbal notice. Signs work just fine for 30.05. And "if you leave" you can still be prosecuted for criminal trespass, depending on the circumstance.
A defense to prosecution allows one to be arrested and prosecuted.
they cannot be charged with criminal trespass by a license holder under 30.05 as soon as the say something about chl it MUST comply with 30.06. next show me one cop besides yourself as you might try as being the protagonist for improper application of the statute when does a LEO IN FACT arrest any one under 30.05 because the property owner said they had been warned. NEVER in all the time I have called the LEO to do just that, had my yard dug up by a person stealing my landscaping, I got told oh that's a civil thing and the LEO hauled it on outta there. Also for 30.05 purple paint works just fine too but NOT for a concealed handgun so the arrest cannot be on the basis of a handgun. if you are told to leave a verbal notice in whatever manner it is presented complies with both
- by JP171
- Sun May 04, 2014 9:14 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Sign at entrance to property (not door)
- Replies: 88
- Views: 17081
jbarn wrote:JP171 wrote:gringo pistolero wrote:TxFig wrote:A friend of mine recently posted this pic at the entrance to the new Scott & White hospital in College Station.
Assuming there is a similar sign at all of the entrances onto the property, is this a legal 30.06 sign? In other words, can it be at the entrance to the property, or does it have to be on DOORS?
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Image ]
Not only does it look like a valid 30.06 sign, but the big print looks like it could be valid 30.05 notice for MPA.
I sure wouldn't want to be the test case.
![NoNo :nono:](./images/smilies/nono.gif)
not even close as 30.05 states clearly that 30.05 cannot be used in the case of weapons so nope doesn't work
Actually 30.05 makes it a DEFENSE TO PRO SECTION if the reason was carrying a handgun under a CHL
pro section? what is pro section??? ok yes it is a defense to prosecution but if you leave then you cannot be prosecuted for criminal trespass at all. so if they are posting 30.06 and its incorrect or not valid you cannot be charged under that as an automatic crime and 30.05 has the defense to, so it takes verbal not written and no automatic crime, so GP's surmise that it could be valid under 30.05 is not a logical assumption. what I mean by verbal and not written is that written for CHL requires 30.06 and it MUST be as defined by the statute verbal is good no matter what section is applied
- by JP171
- Sun May 04, 2014 8:28 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Sign at entrance to property (not door)
- Replies: 88
- Views: 17081
gringo pistolero wrote:TxFig wrote:A friend of mine recently posted this pic at the entrance to the new Scott & White hospital in College Station.
Assuming there is a similar sign at all of the entrances onto the property, is this a legal 30.06 sign? In other words, can it be at the entrance to the property, or does it have to be on DOORS?
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Image ]
Not only does it look like a valid 30.06 sign, but the big print looks like it could be valid 30.05 notice for MPA.
I sure wouldn't want to be the test case.
![NoNo :nono:](./images/smilies/nono.gif)
not even close as 30.05 states clearly that 30.05 cannot be used in the case of weapons so nope doesn't work