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apostate wrote:When was the last time they passed a law that didn't cost somebody money?

Ha. As soon as I typed that I knew someone was going to say... "Right.... so the money that goes into the bill."

Ayy. Tough crowd LOL.

Jeez...


Does everyone understand that "the pie," does not represent money? Or handouts... or anything. "The Pie," I was referring to is whatever Liberals/Conservatives put in a bill..

I'm not looking to take any handouts or anything, my gosh.

stroo wrote:You are not suggesting giving up someone else's piece of the pie, you are suggesting giving up your piece of the pie.

I'm not sure if this is directed to me or not..... I think there might be some confusion though.

For the record-I support the Republican plan. I do not agree with tax raises for the rich. To be quite honest with you, so long as I am paying the same taxes I am accustomed to, and making my measly $50K a year, I don't care how much money the rich bring in. I don't care what they pay in taxes. I don't even care how they invest it, store it, shelter it, or anything else. If keeping the rich happy means I get to be happy too, so be it.

That's another problem I have with liberals. I have no idea when it became criminal to be rich. This might take the discussion off-topic....
i'll start another thread.

XinTX wrote:

snatchel wrote: I'm not opposed to letting them have a piece of the pie so long as I get most of what I want too.

It's this attitude that has us in so much trouble. "I don't mind someone else paying more taxes so long as I get a slice of the pie". It's easy to keep your hand clean when you want someone else to take money from a complete stranger in order to provide yourself a goodie.

Let's be serious, XinTX. There is always going to be someone at the bottom of the totem pole. Someone is always going to get the short end of the stick.. every time. There is no such thing as the utopian idea of every one getting a piece of the pie and doing well..... So i'm not overly concerned about that.

Maybe I'm an elitist... or a jerk..... but that's reality.

I have been labeled an elitest before... I get it all the time in class. If looking out for myself and my wife makes me an elitist, selfish, or whatever else--so be it.

Maybe I'm an elitist... or a jerk..... but that's reality.

TAM, thanks for clearing that up. Maybe my frustration is getting the best of me. I don't blame the republicans.... i blame the democrats. But no matter, I'm still annoyed that for the past 4 years we have accomplished NOTHING financially... and it just seems like everyone in Congress is standing around a room pointing fingers instead of actually working together to accomplish something. Much of this, I think, has to do with representatives being more concerned about their seat than their constituents.

LIke many of you have said.... maybe it's time that we hit rock bottom and just let this thing happen. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already... and without Obama & his handouts, and his borrowing money to just postpone the inevitable... only to make matters worse for the next Generation, I think we would have hit bottom a few years ago.

Truth be told, I don't think that Obama really believes that all this borrowing and bailing out is actually going to have a positive effect on the economy long term. He preaches that, but I'm doubtful. I think Obama knows that the only way to keep his reputation intact, and America's head above water, is to keep doing what he has been doing: Borrowing to pay debt that we can keep up with. I'm pretty sure that he knows the deal. He knows that this can only keep up for a few more years before it all comes crashing down, and he's counting on it to last until his second term is over.

In any case, I am not going to sit here and act like I understand economics, taxes, etc. I've said it already. What I do know is that there IS a problem and that it MUST be addressed. I'm just curious as to how serious our representatives are about this problem, and how genuine their "dedication and hard work to fix our economy," is.

Just fired off a letter to Mike Conaway asking him what is being done about this fiscal cliff business. I graduate college in 10 days. I am entering into the job market, but if a market doesn't exist come Jan 1st, I'm up the creek.

Anyway. I'm happy that the Republicans control the house... but it doesn't do me, a citizen, any good if they aren't passing bills--regardless of the reason. I know a lot of this can be chalked up to the Republican refusal to hike taxes on those making +$250,000 a year...and the fact that they apparently flat out refuse to accept anything brought to the table by Democrats.

I don't like the liberal agenda any more than anyone else here. That said, I'm not opposed to letting them have a piece of the pie so long as I get most of what I want too. Maybe I am the only one, but I voiced this to my congressman. Anyway. Just wanted to encourage everyone to be active in this.

Then again, maybe I just need to let this whole fiscal cliff thing happen. Then maybe the government would realize what they have gotten themselves into and start proactively trying to fix this train-wreck.