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by tbrown
Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:50 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Can You Shoot to Protect Property in TEXAS
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o b juan wrote:Lawyers writE differently than the rest of us.
Don't forget English teachers. :biggrinjester:
o b juan wrote:The last paragraph in deadly force to protect property IS REALLY IMPORTANT...
Yes it is. If the thief is known to be nonviolent, like maybe my neighbor's 10 year old daughter is a kleptomaniac, then I wouldn't use deadly force, but I might use force to grab her arm and turn her over to her parents.

However, if the thief is an adult sized stranger, then it would be irresponsible to put myself in jeopardy by grabbing their arm to stop them. That would expose me to substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. The criminal could have a history of violence. The criminal could have a weapon. The criminal could be on drugs. Maybe all three.
by tbrown
Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:59 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Can You Shoot to Protect Property in TEXAS
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No guarantees for sure but when somebody says something could happen, I think it's fair to ask for examples so we can judge the real risks, as opposed to hypothetical situations like Summer Glau taking me to breakfast tomorrow. :cool:
by tbrown
Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:20 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Can You Shoot to Protect Property in TEXAS
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gemini wrote:I'd also like to know where everyone is getting the fee amounts that are being quoted for defense representation.
My guess would be from a marketing presentation for one of the subscription legal services.
by tbrown
Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:16 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Can You Shoot to Protect Property in TEXAS
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egammonsr wrote:I'm sure the following question has been "asked & answered," but my search didn't turn up anything.

I am a CCW instructor in Louisiana, and am asked this a lot (since our states have reciprocity): Can you use deadly force in Texas to protect property? My stock answer is to "look it up," since I don't teach Texas laws. But I'm asking here because this site has far more credibility than most internet forums.

* When I'm asked the question, it is usually couched in terms of "In Texas, can I shoot a guy who is burglarizing my truck?"

* I have read Texas Section 941, and it appears to generally indicate "yes." (In Louisiana we cannot - we can only use deadly force to protect people).

* I understand, and explain to those who ask, that it's not wise to go and confront a robber, and remind them that "stuff can be replaced."

So, WITH ALL THAT SAID, IN TEXAS, Can you legally shoot someone who is breaking into, or has broken into, your vehicle ?? (Not that it matters, but the guy who recently posed the question to me has had his vehicle broken into several times, most recently losing ~ $19,000 of guns. These were super high grade shotuns, and he's understandibly perturbed.)
After all this discussion, I'm curious if you changed your standard answer when students ask the question?
by tbrown
Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:24 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Can You Shoot to Protect Property in TEXAS
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Yes We Can
by tbrown
Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:18 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Can You Shoot to Protect Property in TEXAS
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stephengauntt wrote:By listening to them I learned a lot about how the system really works
A street wise ex con usually knows more about the Justice system than you think
They can often turn the tables on an unsuspecting victim. Crime victims often
face charges because a street wise crook can and will turn on you.
Remember a jail house lawyer ( inmate who has given himself some legal
training by hanging out in a prison law library)
is a professional of sorts . They will use their expertise against you.
Dead men tell no lies.
by tbrown
Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:00 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Can You Shoot to Protect Property in TEXAS
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If you lost 20 rolls of film (or 5 SD cards) with pictures from a once in a lifetime vacation, most people would agree there's a difference between finding and recovering them, and replacing them by buying new media.
by tbrown
Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:38 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Can You Shoot to Protect Property in TEXAS
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seconds wrote:The way our class was taught, if there is a "way" to replace the property, then shooting is not an option. Bamsch indicated that either insurance or just having a job might, in the eyes of a jury, be enough to say "it could be replaced, so not justified."
The last time I looked, 9.42 said nothing about "replaced" so maybe Barnsch should read the law. :roll:
by tbrown
Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:13 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Can You Shoot to Protect Property in TEXAS
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Re: Can You Shoot to Protect Property in TEXAS

If you're in the vehicle, you can definitely use deadly force to stop the carjacker.

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