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by tbrown
Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:49 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: The "Utah Problem" is back in uglier clothing
Replies: 96
Views: 14240

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Charles L. Cotton wrote:Keith is right. Out-of-state licenses and licensees are not a problem and we have many years of experience to back that up. The problem began and will come to a conclusion because of irresponsible advertising by a small number of instructors.
And the special interests who think they lost money (or face) because of the "irresponsible advertising" businesses and especially the politicians who are willing to support anti-carry legislation at the request of those special interests.
Charles L. Cotton wrote:I don't like the situation any better than anyone else. However, it is what we are facing and we should place blame on the appropriate shoulders.
I agree completely. The legislators should be held responsible for the bills they support. And fail to support. :txflag:
by tbrown
Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:07 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: The "Utah Problem" is back in uglier clothing
Replies: 96
Views: 14240

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We need to throw water on the legislators starting the fires and fanning the flames.

Good thing we have an election before the next session. Fix the legislators = fix the legislative intent. :txflag:
by tbrown
Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:22 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: The "Utah Problem" is back in uglier clothing
Replies: 96
Views: 14240

Re: The "Utah Problem" is back in uglier clothing

If we can't trust native Texans to carry on a nonTX license, we sure can't trust Yankees to carry on a nonTX license!
by tbrown
Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:38 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: The "Utah Problem" is back in uglier clothing
Replies: 96
Views: 14240

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steve817 wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
At the very least, we can count on seeing a bill filed in 2013 that will require Texas residents to carry only on a Texas CHL.
Maybe I'm missing something here but I don't see why that is a bad thing.
If you like that, how about a bill eliminating reciprocity. Texas sells nonresident licenses. If someone wants to carry in Texas, make them buy a Texas CHL. Visitors are not exempt from following Texas laws, so if they're going to carry in Texas, they need to learn the law same as locals.

If it's good enough for native Texans it's good enough for Yankees. :evil2:
by tbrown
Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:08 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: The "Utah Problem" is back in uglier clothing
Replies: 96
Views: 14240

Re: The "Utah Problem" is back in uglier clothing

koolaid wrote:My wife and I had two different instructors, and both of them spent the last hour or two of class randomly browsing youtube and showing vaguely gun related videos.

There also needs to be more emphasis from the state on making sure the instructors actually understand the laws. The amount of bad advice given out by my instructor, and the bad advice I've seen people talking about on forums that they got in their classes is sort of outrageous. Just a look at the debates over the law that get posted and reposted on this forum should be a clue that the classes are failing at what should be one of their core tasks.
That's the real travesty. They wasted hours of your time on filler but didn't have time to teach the law right? :rules: :nono:
by tbrown
Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:52 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: The "Utah Problem" is back in uglier clothing
Replies: 96
Views: 14240

Re: The "Utah Problem" is back in uglier clothing

If fee reductions aren't a possibility, the special interests will either have to pass anti-RKBA anti-reciprocity legislation, or learn to live with a "problem" that's not really a problem except in their minds and their pocketbooks.

A Virginia license is a Virginia license, whether or not Jim, Bob, or Jim Bob live in Virginia. Logically speaking, the race, religion and state of residence of the license holder is irrelevant to whether a Virgina license is "good enough" to allow a Virginia license holder to carry in Texas. Either VA is worthy of reciprocity or it's not. Maybe it isn't.
by tbrown
Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:08 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: The "Utah Problem" is back in uglier clothing
Replies: 96
Views: 14240

Re: The "Utah Problem" is back in uglier clothing

Other than lost revenue to certain special interests, what's the difference between Jim and Bob carrying in Texas on a Virginia license? Assume Jim and Bob don't live in the same state and one may or may not live in Texas.

Reducing the cost of the Texas CHL is the best idea to make the Texas CHL competitive. Maybe change the cost to $50 for all Texas residents (public and private sector, young and old) and $100 for non-residents. Like tuition.

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