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by jerry_r60
Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:33 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Ukraine goes all 2nd amendment all of a sudden
Replies: 20
Views: 5292

Re: Ukraine goes all 2nd amendment all of a sudden

surprise_i'm_armed wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:21 pm I saw some video recently of Ukraine citizens who had just received their AK's.

They were laying prone on the ground, pointing downrange, but not actually firing. A white haired grandmother and a teenage/young 20's woman were 2 of the new shooters. Bless their warrior spirit hearts.

Russia will prevail in conquering Ukraine, but Russian troops will probably be sniped in small numbers continuously, IMHO.

SIA
Just my guess but I suspect Putin would rather gain control without flattening infrastructure and killing masses of people. I'm guessing the plan is to neutralize the military command, gain control of the government and see if the vast majority of people will accept this fate and go back to work, leaving Ukraine in his control. He can probably tolerate small pockets of resistance. If there is widespread mass resistance, it could get ugly. I'm guessing he is hoping people will just accept the Russian control and ready if they don't.

No question there is a population, primarily in the eastern provinces (self proclaimed rebel provinces and russian backed rebel groups) that still align with Russian and feel Russian. Many of those are likely supporters and at least comfortable with the move and probably in many cases, happy as we have read from personal accounts on this thread.
by jerry_r60
Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:34 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Ukraine goes all 2nd amendment all of a sudden
Replies: 20
Views: 5292

Re: Ukraine goes all 2nd amendment all of a sudden

From English Pravda, just talking about one of the airfields. Another article claims Russian sub with 160 nukes surfaces off US coast.

"over 200 Russian helicopters were involved in the operation.

"The success of the landing operation was ensured by the suppression of the entire air defense system in the landing area, the complete isolation of the combat area from the air and the conduct of electronic warfare,” the Defence Ministry of the Russian Federation said.

The Ministry of Defense also reported that more than 200 nationalists from the special units of Ukraine were killed during the capture of the airfield. No losses among the Russian military were reported.

"At present, the main forces of the airborne troops have joined forces with the Russian landing units at Gostomel airfield, having ensured the blockade of of the city of Kiev from the west,” the Defense Ministry concluded."

https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots ... licopters/

All kinds of stuff if you want to know what the Russians read. EDIT: while this came from the site today it's a Sept 21 story.
First encounter betwee F-35 and Soviet fighter with soviet fighter using non-lethal weapon causing F-35 to lose partial control.
https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots ... u_30_f_35/
by jerry_r60
Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:12 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Ukraine goes all 2nd amendment all of a sudden
Replies: 20
Views: 5292

Re: Ukraine goes all 2nd amendment all of a sudden

Ruark wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:00 am It's all so preposterous. Putin has NO interest whatsoever in harming the Ukrainian people, their infrastructure, etc. His actions are directed towards the Ukrainian military, who has spent the last 8 years murdering over 14,000 of the ethnic Russians of Donbass with almost daily shelling and sniper fire. As Putin said, "enough is enough."

The U.S. does NOT want Russia to have any control, political or economic, of Ukraine, for geopolitical reasons. That's why the CIA fomented the uprising in Maidan and replaced the elected President Yanukovich with the American puppet Poroshenko, a bloodthirsty Nazi butcher. In fact, the current president Zelensky promised during his campaign that he would have Poroshenko arrested for war crimes, which of course he didn't. Meanwhile, the genocide of ethnic Russians in Donbass has continued, with absolutely no mention in the press.

Meanwhile, millions of Ukrainians, especially in Donbass, are cheering and celebrating the arrival of Russian forces in the region. They're standing along the streets, smiling and waving and giving thumbs-ups to passing Russian troops.

My wife has a cousin in Kharkov, and talks with her via Skype every couple of days. She says she can't even tell anything is happening. No bombs or gunfire, people going about their lives as usual, but she has many relatives and friends around Ukraine and in Russia, and they are, without exception, thrilled to death to see this happening.

Of course the American media portrays the opposite, as if evil Russia were carpet-bombing Ukrainian cities, and you don't DARE take another viewpoint, or you're a traitor. It's really pathetic. People are so freaking gullible.
I don't know...I have been watching the news and while I see typical news hyperbole I have not gotten a sense that I'm led to believe there has been mass bombing or even mass destruction. I've heard plenty of discussion that it could happen but not that it has. I've seen some images where some of the rockets have hit, just a few and the building that got hit by the plane that got shot down but I've also seen plenty of footage of people walking around, of the city in general with buildings standing, no fighting in the streets etc. I've also see the images of people trying to leave as well as seen plenty that seem to be staying put.

And it's not juts from "American media". I watch Israel news, read papers from Panama, India and UK and see pretty much the same thing. I did read today in a Panama paper about Panamanian and Romanian flagged vessels hit by a Russan attack in the Black sea.

it's in spanish but here is the link.
https://www.prensa.com/economia/armada- ... -panamena/

I have also read articles in the english version of Pravda. I find that one to have some "interesting" perspectives on Syria, Iran and NATO in general etc.
by jerry_r60
Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:10 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Ukraine goes all 2nd amendment all of a sudden
Replies: 20
Views: 5292

Re: Ukraine goes all 2nd amendment all of a sudden

I heard one report on the gun giveaway last night. The reporter said he spoke with an older man who just picked up his AK. The man told the reporter he didn't know anything about guns or how to shoot. He was going to go home and google how to use it.
by jerry_r60
Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:21 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Ukraine goes all 2nd amendment all of a sudden
Replies: 20
Views: 5292

Re: Ukraine goes all 2nd amendment all of a sudden

From Feb 16th...show you bought a gun, get a free pizza. ..."We can't rely on the state"...

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-private ... 92882.html

I read another story saying the government is now providing a weapon to anyone that wants one however in a quick look to put a link here I didn't quickly find one.

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