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by surferdaddy
Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:43 am
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: What Revolver did you shoot in your CHL Instructor's Class
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Re: What Revolver did you shoot in your CHL Instructor's Class

Eric Lamberson wrote:I did a short stint as a police officer in VA in the early 1980's and we still carried revolvers. The dept had an incident where an officer cocked his revolver and held it to the head of a suspect as he was taking him (unhand-cuffed) to his patrol car after a rather lively fight with the suspect (the officer was alone and pretty beat up). Likely had his finger on the trigger (my speculation--to my knowledge not substantiated at the time), slipped on some ice, and discharged his revolver into the suspect's head.

To prevent such occurrences, several major police departments including LAPD, NYPD, and Miami PD ordered revolvers from the factory that were double action only. Every now and then one of these police pistols will come up for auction on GB. My gunsmith is a very accomplished S&W smith and I have had him do several DA-only mods for me. I leave the hammer spur in place--particularly on the newer gen pistols without the firing pin on the hammer. The extra weight of the hammer spur means more inertia and lessens the incidence of misfires with a lighter hammer mainspring.

This modification permanently removes the full cock, single action notch on the hammer so to return it to its original condition you must replace the hammer with one not modified. I typically buy an extra hammer for the DA-only modification and I keep the original hammer as is.
Yikes, I've got an airweight which in single action could probably be set off by a breeze, it is the lightest I've ever seen. Definitely not good for a stressful encounter. At the range, I have been known to fan a hammer now and then. I wish I were a better shot with double action revolvers. I did shoot my father's Colt quite well in double action during my qualification. I've found the colts DA a bit more linear than my smiths.

Sounds like an interesting piece you've got there.
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by surferdaddy
Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:09 pm
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: What Revolver did you shoot in your CHL Instructor's Class
Replies: 42
Views: 8798

Re: What Revolver did you shoot in your CHL Instructor's Class

Eric Lamberson wrote:Double action only precludes push off unless they could get the pistol to fire with the hammer fully forward--quite a feat. What they were looking for was single action trigger jobs (or worn triggers) that were so light they would slip off the sear with thumb pressure. They found one in my class as well. Never thought it was a common problem--must be, given their emphasis on the issue.
I thought you may have had a hammer fully bobbed, or something like that. I've seen people with little nubs of a hammer still pull the trigger just a wee bit in double action so that they could get their finger around the hammer and then cock the revolver. I have never seen a revolver like yours which has been modded to not have a catch to cock the hammer if pulled back.

I never thought push off was a common issue either but seeing as how you and I both had someone in our classes with a revolver with this issue, it must indeed be more common than we thought.

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by surferdaddy
Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:55 pm
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: What Revolver did you shoot in your CHL Instructor's Class
Replies: 42
Views: 8798

Re: What Revolver did you shoot in your CHL Instructor's Class

They were quite serious about this issue of push off, must have mentioned it half a dozen times at least.
by surferdaddy
Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:53 pm
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: What Revolver did you shoot in your CHL Instructor's Class
Replies: 42
Views: 8798

Re: What Revolver did you shoot in your CHL Instructor's Class

Eric Lamberson wrote:Double action only--no worries about "push off."

As long as the hammer is completely inaccessible, but something tells me that if they can get To enough of a hammer to cock it that they would still check it for push off. If it is incapable of setting at full cock...well, not sure how they would feel about that. They may be fine with it and they may not.
by surferdaddy
Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:23 am
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: What Revolver did you shoot in your CHL Instructor's Class
Replies: 42
Views: 8798

Re: What Revolver did you shoot in your CHL Instructor's Class

I will say this though; when they say that a revolver which "suffers" from "push off" will be disqualified from being fired on their range, they mean it. On the day of qualification, the applicant to my right on the firing line had some small snubby revolver which when checked pushed off with simple finger pressure. He was able to use another revolver from another student, which incidentally, he shot quite well.

Point is; make sure you check your unloaded revolver for push off before your trip.

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by surferdaddy
Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:37 pm
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: What Revolver did you shoot in your CHL Instructor's Class
Replies: 42
Views: 8798

Re: What Revolver did you shoot in your CHL Instructor's Class

8" Colt Peacekeeper 357; of course loaded with 38 special. I experienced a failure to feed with my PPQ 9mm from the 15 yard line. It was a deformed casing, my fault really for using white box Winchester but I decided that since my Walther had run it fine to that point I shouldn't make any changes.

Sargent Pittman was right behind me and noticed my slide out of battery. He's a great guy and very patient and helpful like all the other staff. It was a quick fix but if you've ever had a failure under stressful conditions you know that it certainly can amplify that stress. My next shots from 15 were noticeably "looser."

I had just told my buddy to be sure to quickly inspect his ammo as he loaded it. I tried to but the part of the case which had the deformity was on the bottom of the round an I didn't notice it. Thanks a lot Murphy.

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