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Relatively uncommon here in VA. I am sure it happens. I know of two occasions where an OC-er was detained for a while. Both were in cities. Most people I know that OC have no trouble and no one notices.

You know I am not there. I am not in TX seeing the effects of the demonstrations. The OC rallies here are mostly low key and nearly no one notices. I am not fighting that battle (I have plenty of battles here in VA to fight). So you who are there, who have eyes and ears on the ground, would know better how to handle your particular situation.

In general I find OC to be a non-issue where it is legal and it seems a huge problem where it is not or is marginally legal. If you can get it, I highly recommend it.

jmra wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:

jmra wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:Perhaps instead of screaming at them they they are ridiculous and irresponsible. You could suggest another way they can protest.

Obviously this has been attempted on numerous occasions without success. Have you actually read many of the threads on this topic? If so, the impossibility of dealing with these people and the damage they are causing should be obvious.

Sorry what I meant to say did not post.

I think the damage is being done by a law that is depriving people is their god-given constitutional rights. So frustrated people are doing what the law permits.

Something is either legal or not. You don't have to agree with them, or their tactics. But I do not think they should be harassed for their choice to use their rights.

I would be frustrated too if I had a bill die in committee for ten years too.

What they are doing is damaging efforts to get the law changed so that we can in fact exercise those rights in a manner that will not be alarming, a way that you even stated was less alarming, and that is handgun open carry. Their actions are creating opposition to that change, not support.

You may be 100% correct. I can certainly see where open carry of rifles could cause that. The reason they are open carrying rifles is that they are not permitted to OC handguns.

The open carry of handguns here in VA causes little to no notice. No one cares 99% of the time.

jmra wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:Perhaps instead of screaming at them they they are ridiculous and irresponsible. You could suggest another way they can protest.

Obviously this has been attempted on numerous occasions without success. Have you actually read many of the threads on this topic? If so, the impossibility of dealing with these people and the damage they are causing should be obvious.

Sorry what I meant to say did not post.

I think the damage is being done by a law that is depriving people is their god-given constitutional rights. So frustrated people are doing what the law permits.

Something is either legal or not. You don't have to agree with them, or their tactics. But I do not think they should be harassed for their choice to use their rights.

I would be frustrated too if I had a bill die in committee for ten years too.

Ok, I don't always agree with how OC people do things, but at least they are willing to try to change the conversation.

The reason OC tactics in TX are so ridiculous is because your laws forbid the OCing of handguns, even with a CHL permit. Here in VA, it is perfectly legal to OC a handgun. Anyone who can buy a gun can carry it openly. So instead of rifles at an OC rally there are glock 17's and Karh pm9's all safely holstered with retention. A lot less obvious and a lot less intimidating. I have been to OC rallies and mostly it is just handguns, few guys will have slung rifles. At OC dinners here in Richmond there are no rifles, just handguns. Now in common life OC in the cities is uncommon. OC in the suburbs is more common. OC in the country is very common. It is legal everywhere.


Perhaps instead of screaming at them they they are ridiculous and irresponsible. You could suggest another way they can protest. In truth I don't think they are ridiculous. I think they are forced into a ridiculous situation by a ill-thought out law. So they are forced to either be very intimidation or not say anything at all. Some people won't be forced into silence.