fishfree wrote:fishfree wrote:Is there any organized effort/organization active to get a vote & passage in the next legislative session ?
... and 5 pages later if there was an answer there it got buried in the static. I presume the answer is that there is not an organized effort (at least not well known as such) for OC.
My parting comment, for your consideration, is this:
In my college days I took a history course. It was supposedly about Western Civilization but the professor had a bent about institutions (like governments) and how they perpetuated themselves against popular will. One singular aspect that has stayed with me all these decades is this. To control the unwashed masses, divide them. That simple. Grant special privileges to some and tell them they are special, deserving and above the rest. That they must protect their special status. And that is all it takes.
We all want our rights, including gun rights. But look back at these past 4 pages of posts. How much heat? How much light in these arguments among citizens with a common interest? Now ask yourself this- How hard was the CHL test? How difficult was the shooting practical? Do those 2 tests plus not being a felon make you an extraordinary rare and special citizen deserving of a very special privilege? A privilege as opposed to a right?
thanks
Fishfree did you miss this? What about it is unreasonable? I'm really trying to get there for you, but all I get back is "static" as you call it. I'm trying to be friendly and learn "facts" of your position, but conjecture will not get me there. Still you have my best wishes, but need to help us to help you.
I'm sorry; I must have grown a little dense.
To what advantage is it to occasionally come in mass onto this chl forum and, intentionally or not, to cultivate discord with those of us who follow the existing law as closely as we can to how it is actually written, to fail to have a discourse with those Pro CHL leaders who have helped achieve restoration of some of our rights per good laws for the chl community, and to be unwilling to negotiate reasonable points of view with us to help us understand how we might better help you without selling out the gains we have made.
I don't think there is any frequent visitor on this forum who will not banter back and forth to try to understand a point. We sometimes bicker like family, but we usually return to the dinner table to break bread.
There seems to be some bad blood from prior encounters, but I think if everyone could get past that and civilly debate what would be needed to gain organizational support from actual groups with lawmaking and lobby experience, then all might find a way to prosper together. I do think you will have to answer Charles questions to have any favorable chances to make headway on your goals via this forum.
Best of wishes for you;
I know you wish us the same.
Which is why my earlier post suggested to the open carry visitors that they would have to answer questions. I just do not believe browbeating and threatening goes very far in the effort to enact legislation.