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- Thu May 24, 2012 1:52 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: CHL and Vehicle?
- Replies: 66
- Views: 7289
Re: CHL and Vehicle?
...no, Sir...just standin' here waitin' for my ride...
- Thu May 24, 2012 12:23 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: CHL and Vehicle?
- Replies: 66
- Views: 7289
Re: CHL and Vehicle?
RoyGBiv wrote:I've always believed that "on or about" means "within easy reach". You might be able to stretch that to "across the room on the nightstand".... but... "A half mile away in a locked car in the parking lot" is well outside my definition of "about"..... unless I have a guilty conscience57Coastie wrote:Speedsix, is there any difference between "on" and "about" one's person?speedsix wrote:...the law says "...if a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person..."...the answer is no...there is no need to provide the CHL...and, given the info in the OP...the officer has no reason to search the car...or even know where it is...
Just askin'.
Jim
Here's another example....
I am inside a school, talking to my kids teacher. My gun is locked in my car in the parking lot. If for some reason I have an encounter with the police while I'm still inside the building and I am asked for ID, I do not have to provide CHL since the gun is not "on or about" my person. If I am standing next to the still-locked car in the parking lot, I would provide CHL, even though the gun, IMO, is still not "on or about" if it's in the locked car. I'll err on the side of disclosure in that case, unless there is some circumstance where it would be imprudent for me to do so.
IMO, IANAL.
...I wouldn't mind disclosing my CHL...but if you weren't IN the car...you're not required to by law...it's just not that big a deal to me to show the CHL...but if I'm not in the car and it's locked...he has no reason to "hold" it for his perceived safety...it's not in reach...not in play, and it'd take a search warrant or arrest to give him rights into the car...
- Thu May 24, 2012 12:19 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: CHL and Vehicle?
- Replies: 66
- Views: 7289
Re: CHL and Vehicle?
RoyGBiv wrote:I've always believed that "on or about" means "within easy reach". You might be able to stretch that to "across the room on the nightstand".... but... "A half mile away in a locked car in the parking lot" is well outside my definition of "about"..... unless I have a guilty conscience57Coastie wrote:Speedsix, is there any difference between "on" and "about" one's person?speedsix wrote:...the law says "...if a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person..."...the answer is no...there is no need to provide the CHL...and, given the info in the OP...the officer has no reason to search the car...or even know where it is...
Just askin'.
Jim
Here's another example....
I am inside a school, talking to my kids teacher. My gun is locked in my car in the parking lot. If for some reason I have an encounter with the police while I'm still inside the building and I am asked for ID, I do not have to provide CHL since the gun is not "on or about" my person. If I am standing next to the still-locked car in the parking lot, I would provide CHL, even though the gun, IMO, is still not "on or about" if it's in the locked car. I'll err on the side of disclosure in that case, unless there is some circumstance where it would be imprudent for me to do so.
IMO, IANAL.
...without diggin' it up..."within easy reach" 'bout covers it...I used to think in the car you could claim MPA...but the Boss said if we HAVE a CHL...that's what we're under in our car...and so, if we have a handgun in the interior of the car, we should give up our CHL with our DL if asked for ID...now, if I had 4 in the car and only one was loaded...that'd be the one he'd "hold" for me if he felt like he needed to disarm me...I'd just keep hush about the rest of them...and deny the search request...I think that would show compliance on my part...if they were all loaded...well, I'd give him notice of all 4...
- Thu May 24, 2012 6:45 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: CHL and Vehicle?
- Replies: 66
- Views: 7289
Re: CHL and Vehicle?
...the law says "...if a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person..."...the answer is no...there is no need to provide the CHL...and, given the info in the OP...the officer has no reason to search the car...or even know where it is...