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...either state has a proud heritage...

...last I checked, that qualifies as "down here"...it sure ain't "up there"...

...he's just crowin' 'cause he was lucky enough to be born down here...some of US were smart enough to MOVE, yogihat!!!

...talked to my son again...they're forbidden as loss prevention department to touch a suspected thief...corporate figured out it's just not worth it...retail electronics...

...one less to share the reward with!!! Hold him, fellers...I'll run over to aisle 7 and get some duct tape!!!...

...were I to stand in Judgement for not intervening in the case the OP posted, I would expect my Advocate to look at the Father with a twinkle in those fiery eyes, and quote Proverbs 26:17 as my defense: "He who passes by and meddles in a quarrel not his own is like one who takes a dog by the ears."

...nope...just NOPE...I've been a Marine, been a cop, made dozens of felony arrests single-handed...pulled burglars out of a building 4 at a time, looooooooooooove wimmen, have taken a gun off someone in a restaurant without even drawing my weapon...this scenario is not about not caring, it's not about not wanting to do your part, it's not about being timid or afraid, not about not wanting to help a woman in distress...not about being a good citizen...
...it's about intervening in something that is none of our business, putting our health and our family's future security on the chopping block, for a corporation who, more often than not, FORBIDS their own employees to jump in and get physical with a shoplifter...nobody's life is in danger, we simply have an incompetent security weeble who's made a poor choice...and the extent of our help should be GIVEN THE FACTS AS THEY WERE POSTED to be a good witness...whatever she suspected he stole is not worth the consequences that could arise...

...If I applied the above post to a speeding motorist, or someone who ran through a yard and was fleeing...I'd be judged a fool for charging in and trying to pull him over...
...if it were a fistfight or family dispute, applying the above would obligate me to intervene...on WHO's behalf??? No way...not wise or prudent...

...if it were a major crime like robbery or rape...of course I would instinctively do what I'm capable of doing...but not for a shoplifting where the dollar value might not exceed the cost of the gas I'd burn going to court....the police won't even come out on cases below a certain dollar amount...why should you and I feel obligated to risk our bodies and financial futures???

...as the OP gave us the facts...I can't make Texas PC9:43 fit suspicion of theft where neither the security person nor I have seen any property...so I intervene and explain how I broke his arm or hurt his back because of a suspicion??? Nope...

..and with that post, I'll leave y'all deep in the Valley of Decision.... ...I'm outahere!!!

...wow...you'd have had your hands full on that one...or not...depending on His mood... (He was an ace escape artist, you know)

...read the OP's first sentence again...OFTEN an insecure, wannabe hero-type gets a job in loss prevention and BLOWS IT...I paid for my first son standing UNIFORMED security at a grocery store 30 hours a weekend because they'd written a check for over $30,000 to settle a suit where two loss prevention officers had seen a man and woman "acting suspicious"...grabbed them as they left the store, rassled them all over the parking lot...and the two had NOTHING...except a hungry lawyer...and the store said they'd never again use anyone but a professional, uniformed police officer...wasn't worth the liability to do it the other way...
...my son is 18...he got hired at an electonics retail outlet...loss prevention...they did profiles on him to make sure he wasn't the "hero" type and have told him repeatedly...DON'T STOP THEM...if you see them steal on the camera...report it to a manager...DON'T touch them or chase them...I've made sure he understands...life's worth more than a CD...

...it's not a matter of our character...it's a matter of our common sense...

PappaGun wrote:It's intersesting that 43% of us said the man should buy on a first date.

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57% said the one who asked for the date should pay first. So split that down the middle (28.5%) for a total of 71.5%.

71.5% would pick up the check but not help this woman who is asking for help.

I dunno, seems disingenuous.

...ask your wife and kids and grandkids if they want their inheritance parceled out to a petty thief in civil court because you jumped in and helped a loss prevention person do a job she evidently wasn't qualified to do, got sued because his neck got out of joint, over a package of lunchmeat...and you'll think we're perfect gentlemen...the lady in the OP's not being beaten to death...her life's not being threatened...she's just looking for help to do her job...and we're busy being good witnesses...pick your battles...

...disingenuous means not candid or frank;insincere...I resent that being applied to us...twice...tell you what...instead of insinuating that or insinuating that how pretty the loss prevention person was would make the difference in our decision...you go save her...and we'll be good witnesses...there's a world of difference between picking up a check and buying a shoplifter his next car...because I want to be in the papers as the guy who saved Target's bologna...I'd rather one person think I was disingenuous than the whole world think I was stupid..

...here's a pretty good example of such a situation with cites http://causeofactionelements.blogspot.c ... epers.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...may have been a felony, rather than a misdemeanor, if it was a BLUEBERRY PIE the guy was stealing...

...nope...they can do it...even handcuffing...but they'd BETTER GET IT RIGHT...or they can face criminal charges...and the store's liability is bottomless...

...I wouldn't physically help unless someone's life was obviously in danger or the shoplifter produced a knife or gun...
...the posted situation is MUCH different from if a real cop was asking for help...in which case I'd do all I could to rassle him down...
...if the loss prevention employee couldn't handle someone for lack of training...the sooner she finds it out, the sooner she finds her true calling...which ISN'T loss prevention...I think if I owned a store...the only thing I'd let my employees do is take a good picture of the shoplifter's face and call 911...nothing gained by even speaking to them...and given the mindset of a lot of thieves today, even THAT could spark a violent outburst...