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...of that much, there is no doubt...the media prolly won't consider him important enough to dig out the details...not that it really matters...my remarks were those of an old revolver man who trained that if you blow all your shots without aiming, you're screwed...I guess with the new 17+1 wondernines, you can throw away more than you aim with...but another thing we were taught comes into play...every miss has a lawyer attached to it...oh, well...

...maybe we'll get access to the autopsy report...till then, we won't know for sure...but there's nothing in that video to make us think they hit him then...and we may never know, because they don't release the autopsy results to the general public in Dane County, WI

...possible...as of Tuesday they were still analyzing the autopsy...from what we have now, no indication they hit him till he got back in the truck...now they're linking him to as many as 10 other shooting sprees...
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ddurkof wrote:

speedsix wrote:

...nah, too many shots fired after he stopped shooting, turned, and headed for the truck...we're not talkin' a great distance according to the dashcam...once he got into the truck, I'm agreein' with you...but he never should have made it into the truck...and, no, I haven't been in any gunfights, but success is measured by making your shots count...pistol or revolver shoulda had him before he got back into the truck...

So what was in the truck that you wanted him to get to? Someone jumps out of a truck and starts shooting, and only then realizing that that he made a large tactical mistake, does not get a free pass from the police he just tried to kill. You shoot until the threat stops or is dead. In gunfights suppressive fire making the bad guy worry about surviving and not getting effective rounds down range is also a good thing. His retreat into the truck could have been to just escape the firefight he started, or it could be to get the AR, AK, pipe bombs or what every extra gear he had to help him kill the officers, but he was not surrendering.

Let him escape to take hostages somewhere else? Not a good idea either. Also success in any gunfight is measured by who goes home and who doesn't. The bad guy didn't make it so I would say it was a good gunfight. [/quote]

...if you'll re-read my post, you'll see that I didn't want him to get to the truck...that was my whole point...if you'll look at the video and TRY to count all the officers' shots between the time he began shooting, then turned to go to the truck...there were enough rounds sprayed at him that he should have been killed BEFORE he got into the truck...if any of them had aimed carefully...look at the dashcam video...he was close...again, if you'll re-read my post...once he made it back to the truck, I'm in agreement with the rest...he had to be stopped...nobody suggested letting him escape to take hostages...so instead of reading into my post what I didn't write...my post says just what I meant...way too many shots fired AFTER he stopped shooting and BEFORE he got back into the truck...for him not to have been hit...several times...the range was close and he made a big target...it should have been over BEFORE he got back into the truck...just read what I wrote and it'll be a lot easier than suggesting I said things that I clearly didn't...

Excaliber wrote:

McKnife wrote:Good shoot for justice.

BAD shoot for accuracy.

Stopping somebody who's trying to kill you isn't a slow fire bullseye exercise, and success or failure is measured by incident results rather than micrometers.

I thought the officers involved delivered outstanding on target accuracy considering the distance, suspect and vehicle motion, and difficulty seeing into the cab of the vehicle.

Just MHO.

...nah, too many shots fired after he stopped shooting, turned, and headed for the truck...we're not talkin' a great distance according to the dashcam...once he got into the truck, I'm agreein' with you...but he never should have made it into the truck...and, no, I haven't been in any gunfights, but success is measured by making your shots count...pistol or revolver shoulda had him before he got back into the truck...

...you NEVER see them say "...the police allegedly shot Mr. So&so, who had just robbed a bank..."...doesn't sound nearly as racy!!!

...amazing how many shots returned and he still made it back to his truck...