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EEllis wrote:I can see your point. It sure looks like at least one business has a invalid 30.06 sign not because they don't want chl's to carry but to just make sure they stay concealed. So while that's not where I would draw the line I can understand, tho I will carry if I go to Cash America now, why you do so. What about a business who you are 100% sure wants no guns, no chl's, but just made some small mistake in wording or had what was a legaly valid sign but never got updated. Still carry?

The only way you can be 100% sure that they want to ban firearms from the business is if the sign is a valid 30.06.

EEllis wrote:I don't care what the prohibition is, barring certain unlawful request I believe a business has the right to request people on their premises follow the house rules. It's not about being arrested but about having respect for others even when I don't agree with them. The fact that I can legally get away with ignoring their wishes is of little importance to me. Then there is still the fact that if I am so upset about their prohibition giving them my money just seems absurd.

Don't fool yourself. Everything you buy has some ties to and provides monetary support for an anti and their goals. And yes, I do mean everything. It may be the store you bought the widget in, the manufacturer of the widget, a manufacturer of a component of the widget, or even the trucking company used to transport the widget (or its components) from one location to another. Why, every trucking company, with the exception (maybe) of some owner/operators, has a "no weapons/firearms" policy for their drivers.

And has already been stated in numerous threads, without valid 30.06 notification, you have NO idea what the intentions are behind that gun buster sign. Perhaps it's an insurance requirement (doubtful, but I have read of at least one case), perhaps they are just making their more hoplophobic clients feel better, or maybe they were just too any/stupid to find out how to legally ban concealed firearms from their business. The fact is that we CAN'T know that they really want to prohibit firearms unless they post a valid sign.

EEllis wrote:If I have a business and post a sign prohibiting some behavior or activity then I would hope people would respect it and my rights enough not to do whatever it is on my property. So it seems a no brainier to me that if I know a business doesn't want chl's carrying then regardless of legality I wont. I have yet to find a business that I have to go into. I also don't see giving my money to someone with a posted business either so morally I have two reasons not to go into someplace I know doesn't want guns.

I do not see any moral obligation to obey an invalid and not legally binding sign. YMMV

Jaguar wrote:Legal or not makes all the difference to me.

If not, I ignore it and go have a nice meal with my family. If it is a legal sign, I find some place else to enjoy a nice meal. Unless there is no other venue that has the accommodations I want, I will not disarm - and restaurants do not generally fall into that category.

If its a valid 30.06, go somewhere else. If its not, carry away.

glock27 wrote:

Weg wrote:Well, i'll speak for myself...but, I have a moral duty to protect daughters/my wife/myself in that order. I have carried both legally and illegally my entire life ( in my mid 40's). I carry weekly in places that if caught I could lose my job at the least, and go to jail at the worst.You have to make that decision yourself.

your not alone on this one

glad im not the only "outlaw" on this board,

Not by a long shot.

mojo84 wrote:Do you know of any specific instance an insurance company required a no gun sign be put up by an insured business? I have been in the insurance business a long time and have never seen it or even heard of it.

The only time the carrying of guns comes up is if security guards are hired.

There was one poster on here who claimed that their insurance company required it. Was s/he telling the truth? I've got no idea, but I've got no reason to doubt him/her either.

TBH, it doesn't really matter. It's a common excuse that is given for the posting of "no gun" signs. Regardless of whether its true or not, my point still stands: Unless it is a compliant 30.06 sign, there is no way to know what the owner/manager's intentions were.

Keith, I don't think that's quite what he's asking. I think he's saying that if a business displays any "no gun" sign, then we shouldn't go in. And you're right, it has been discuss extensively here.

To the OP: Frankly, I disagree. We don't know why the owner/manager chose to put up a "no gun" sign. Perhaps their insurance required it, perhaps they just want to make their gun-fearing clientele feel safer, perhaps they trebly want to ban guns from their store and are too incompetent/lazy to look up the legal requirements to do so. Do you know why? I certainly don't. The ONLY way to know for sure, with 100% certainty, that the owner/manager does not want (for whatever reason) concealed handguns in their establishment is for them to post a correct and valid 30.06 sign.

Therefore I will continue to ignore and carry past any and all "no guns" sign that does not comply (or come reasonably close - 3/4" letters, for example) with 30.06.

YMMV