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by RottenApple
Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:20 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Carrying at my son's soccer practice
Replies: 30
Views: 4796

Re: Carrying at my son's soccer practice

Keith B wrote:Enclosed means all sides. A fence all the way around would constitute being an 'enclosed' field; look at the definition I posted above. However, if there was no gate to go through or open access with a side that was not fenced and could not be closed off and access restricted by closing a gate, etc, then I would say it was not enclosed.

Just remember, a good lawyer will be capable of working words to make them meet their needs during a court battle. So, if you got one that had an agenda to go after you for carrying in a prohibited place, they could make a good argument for their cause that might sway the Judge and/or jury to side with them.
Good points. :tiphat:

Especially about the lawyer. :grumble
by RottenApple
Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:04 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Carrying at my son's soccer practice
Replies: 30
Views: 4796

Re: Carrying at my son's soccer practice

Keith B wrote:
Kodiak101 wrote:It's a very interesting conversation. I went this evening to my other sons lacrosse game. The field is on school property. There is a fence around the field, but anyone can enter the stands. There is no gate or fence around the stands.

There is a bathroom under the stands.

With this facility can I carry in the stands but not use the bathroom?
If it is an enclosed structure on owned by the school, then no you cannot carry there. Also, you said your son's sport was a league, but why are they allowed to use the school athletic fields? There may be a gray area if the school is sponsoring the league in a manner that they are allowing them to use the field at no cost. I am not a lawyer, but if I were a DA and wanted to push the issue I could argue that the school was sponsoring the event by giving them the fields to play on at no charge.
Wow. We do work in some grey areas with this one. For what it's worth (IANAL), I disagree with you "enclosed structure" statement.... Kinda. A fence w/o a gate would not, IMHO, be considered an "enclosed structure". Now, if it had a gate and/or a building/structure that you had to go through to get to the open air field (think: Roman Colosseum), then that would definitely qualify.

But you do make an excellent point regarding the free use of school grounds possibly counting as some sort of school sponsorship. I'd be interested in hearing from any of the lawyers on the board about that one.
by RottenApple
Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:08 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Carrying at my son's soccer practice
Replies: 30
Views: 4796

Re: Carrying at my son's soccer practice

gdanaher wrote:Wooow. Any good prosecutor worth his salt is going to argue that a school owned stadium, even if it open air, is a school facility, and once you enter the ticket gate, you are inside a school facility, just as you would be if entering the adjoining high school. I would encourage you to rethink the idea of taking your concealed weapon into the stadium if it is owned by the school. Recreational soccer games, played on open fields with no permanent infrastructure are another matter.
The law doesn't say school "facility", it says school "premises" and defines that as a "building or portion of a building". As has been stated, as long as the OP doesn't enter the premises (a building or portion of a building), then they are good to go.
by RottenApple
Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:50 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Carrying at my son's soccer practice
Replies: 30
Views: 4796

Re: Carrying at my son's soccer practice

Kodiak101 wrote:
Teamless wrote:Unless the games are indoors, you CAN carry at his games also, just don't go inside buildings.
Great to know! I always thought that I couldn't carry on the grounds of the school and in the stands at the sporting event. They have a bathroom under the bleachers, which I assume would be considered inside the school.
Yep. If its a building, it's off limits. So unless the bathroom under the bleachers is a bush ( :mrgreen: ), you can't carry there.
by RottenApple
Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:37 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Carrying at my son's soccer practice
Replies: 30
Views: 4796

Re: Carrying at my son's soccer practice

Kodiak101 wrote:Great help, thanks!

The good news for me is that the league is not school sponsored. The practices are not on school grounds. The games are and I leave my gun in the car.
No need to unless the games are in a building that is 30.06 posted. You can carry at non-professional sporting events.

Edit: Whoops. I missed that the games are on school property. As Teamless said below, as long as you don't go into a building, you can still carry.
by RottenApple
Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:28 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Carrying at my son's soccer practice
Replies: 30
Views: 4796

Re: Carrying at my son's soccer practice

Kodiak101 wrote:I know that I can not carry at a sporting event, but can I carry at my child's practice? The fields are over 500 yards away from the parking lot. The walkway is lit only 50% of the time and quite frankly I do not feel safe all of the time.

Question, can I carry at a sporting practice?
You can't carry at a professional sporting event or school sponsored sporting event/practice (without written permission from the school/ISD). But if it's a non-school sporting event/practice, then you can carry.

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