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mamabearCali wrote:Edited to add, Since I live within 2 hours of DC it does not seem far away to me at all. I hate HOA's as well. My husband did not understand their tyranny fully till we moved in here (I tried to tell him). We will never again buy in a HOA.

Heh. HOAs are fun to mess with. When my synagogue went looking for a new building, we found one in Forney. It's a semi-rural community and they have an HOA. The HOA tried to prevent us from buying the building. But the building had been built before the HOA existed and, per the owner's documentation, was not subject to the HOA. Needless to say, when our lawyers got done explaining things to the HOA and the residents, they weren't happy, but couldn't do a darn thing about it.

Now, 2 years later, we're the best, quietest neighbors they've ever had. Some of the local residents have even come to synagogue on Shabbat to see what it's like. And one of them now attends every Shabbat. Kinda funny how things work out.

What's frightening about this is... well.... us. Many (most?) of us go about our daily lives armed; Even in our own homes. If all of a sudden your boor burst in and people began pouring in, wouldn't you drawn and immediately fire? I know I would. You aren't going to know that they are LEOs until after the fact.

My brother-in-law has found out how quickly I can respond twice. The first was when he lived with us. He came home late one night (about midnight or 1am) and, instead of coming inside he went out back to put the wheelie bins out. The wheelie bins were right outside my mother's bedroom and she heard a noise in the back yard. She alerted me, and I came out with gun drawn and a bright flashlight. Needless to say, my BIL was kinda freaked.

Another time, after he moved out and had his own place, he decided to come over for a visit. Unfortunately, he didn't call first to let us know he was coming over. The first we knew about it was when we heard the door being messed with. By the time the door opened, I was across the room, drawn, and aimed (safety still on but only a simple thumb flick away from going "hot"). My wife was also drawn and stayed back to shield the kids.

And this was family! If I hadn't recognized who it was, I'm 100% certain that I would have pulled the trigger on someone breaking into my house. If it turns out that it is LEOs, there are going to be multiple injured or dead people, probably myself among them (because I'm sure that cops are going to shoot back at someone shooting at them, even if the someone doesn't know they are cops).

Oh, and in case you are curious, my BIL now always calls or texts before coming over and always calls when he's at the door and about to come in.