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Flightmare wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:27 pm

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:52 am I wasn't trying to solve the violence problem, just trying to satiate the calls for UBC's in a way that is no worse than what exists today. When an FFL runs a NICS check, is a record kept by the FBI? If we pass a law declaring that record must be deleted, I'd say we gained something. 4473 remains unchanged.

Let me ask you this. Do you believe that even if they had UBCs and a federal gun registry, that the antis would be satiated?
If so, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
If not, what problem are you trying to solve?

mrvmax wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:42 am

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:43 pm

Nuts wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:34 pm

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:10 pm

jason812 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:06 pm

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:04 pm Let's help draft a law we can live with....


-- Printed receipt for each party
-- Transaction records immediately deleted

How can you have a printed receipt and delete the transaction records?

The buyer gets a receipt, the seller gets a receipt, the government gets to delete the record after printing the receipt. Undifficult.

And you trust the government to delete them?

When I buy a gun through an FFL today, what record does the government maintain?
Would I be any worse off with my (admittedly pie in the sky) proposal?

The 4473 is kept for 20 years but the FFL can destroy them after that. The ATF encourages the FFL to turn them in instead of destroying them. Some FFLs will shut down their license and get a new one just to avoid having to store 4473’s (in which case the forms are sent to the ATF). During yearly inspections the ATF IOI can gather any info they want off the 4473’s, I’ve had them take someone’s info before during audits (even though there was nothing questionable and after I told him the buyer was legit and had a CHL).

Multiple handgun sales (and multiple long gun sales in border states) forms are sent to the ATF and chief law enforcement officer. Those forms have all the buyers info plus all the firearm info.

Your proposal does nothing to solve the problem and only opens the door to other infringing legislation. As Reagan stated, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem. I have not seen anything proposed that will stop people from being killed. There has been nothing implemented worldwide that I know of that has stopped killing.

Nuts wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:34 pm

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:10 pm

jason812 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:06 pm

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:04 pm Let's help draft a law we can live with....


-- Printed receipt for each party
-- Transaction records immediately deleted

How can you have a printed receipt and delete the transaction records?

The buyer gets a receipt, the seller gets a receipt, the government gets to delete the record after printing the receipt. Undifficult.

And you trust the government to delete them?

jason812 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:06 pm

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:04 pm Let's help draft a law we can live with....


-- Printed receipt for each party
-- Transaction records immediately deleted

How can you have a printed receipt and delete the transaction records?

mayor wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:06 am

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:53 am For me, personally, I would appreciate the opportunity to go to the local cop-shop, together with the other party in a gun transaction, and have the buyer and the weapon checked for eligibility and stolen, respectively. Print a receipt for each party, no other record kept.

No registration required, since the only check on the weapons is whether it was ever reported stolen.
NICS check on the buyer.
And a time stamped receipt on the transaction. In case the weapon is ever found tied to a crime.

I don't want to sell a gun to a felon or other disqualified person, or buy a stolen gun.
If that's better done by an FFL, OK, but, it should be easy and inexpensive.
I'd like it to be optional as well. So I could choose to use it for transactions with people I don't know personally. There's no reason for me to run a NICS check in order to gift a gat to my daughter.

YMMV

Isn't this option available now?