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by RoyGBiv
Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:36 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: buying guns for someone else
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Re: buying guns for someone else

sjfcontrol wrote:
cb1000rider wrote:That's the straw purchase distinction, absolutely.
There is no "gift" option on Form 4473.
So, how much time (or what other actions) must expire between the time that you buy the gun, and the time when you can sell it to someone else as a private transaction?
I'm no lawyer, so, FWIW ...

Seems to me that if it's a gift (my money, my purchase, give it to you [as long as you are not prohibited]), it's ok. No "waiting period".
But.....

If you give me the money, and I do the 4473 in my name... that's a no-no
and....

if you "promise to repay me" and I do the 4473 in my name... also a no-no.

Basically... An honest gift is ok, a prearranged onward-sale is not.

Again... That's just my OPINION. Worth nothing to you (or me :mrgreen: ) in court.

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download ... 4473-1.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Emphasis added...
Question 11.a. Actual Transferee/Buyer: For purposes of this form, you are
the actual transferee/buyer if you are purchasing the firearm for yourself or
otherwise acquiring the firearm for yourself (e.g., redeeming the firearm from
pawn/retrieving it from consignment, firearm raffle winner). You are also the
actual transferee/buyer if you are legitimately purchasing the firearm as a gift
for a third party.
ACTUAL TRANSFEREE/BUYER EXAMPLES:
Mr. Smith asks Mr. Jones to purchase a firearm for Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith gives Mr.
Jones the money for the firearm. Mr. Jones is NOT THE ACTUAL TRANS-FEREE/BUYER
of the firearm and must answer “NO” to question 11.a. The licensee
may not transfer the firearm to Mr. Jones. However, if Mr. Brown
goes to buy a firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Black as a present,
Mr. Brown is the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm and should answer
“YES” to question 11.a. However, you may not transfer a firearm to any
person you know or have reasonable cause to believe is prohibited under 18
U.S.C. §922(g), (n), or (x). Please note: EXCEPTION: If you are picking
up a repaired firearm(s) for another person, you are not required to answer
11.a. and may proceed to question 11.b.

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