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Intended to mean "exchangeable".. "swappable"...tbrown wrote:Fungible? Like commodities?RoyGBiv wrote:Just as Obama's 2008 promises were transparently foolish, Romney's proposals are transparently fungible and prima facia, insufficient.
Irony is that his "States Rights" position on RKBA is the most obvious area of disagreement I have with him. I'm for the 10th, but the 2nd comes first.tbrown wrote:Fungible? Like commodities?RoyGBiv wrote:Just as Obama's 2008 promises were transparently foolish, Romney's proposals are transparently fungible and prima facia, insufficient.
He knows finance but I'm not convinced his heart is in the right place on other issues. For example, when he says states should be able to have strict gun control, despite recent SCOTUS opinions.RoyGBiv wrote:Cain is fairly articulate (there are some nuances about his speaking style that I find annoying, but overall he does a very good job conveying his message, IMO) and his proposals thus far show an understanding of the problem, a direction of attack that is based on both macroeconomic reality and are not tainted by inside-the-beltline political thinking. Cain, IMO, evokes Reagan in that he is clearly guided by his religious compass, but he does not wear it on his sleeve. His "positivity" is engaging, infectious, sorely needed and also evokes Reagan. Cain believes in America, Perry and Romney come across as believing in themselves, primarily. Cain has "been there, done that" in the business world (doing turn-around work requires nuts-and-bolts, hands-on executive skills, not just a spreadsheet and a red pen) and at the Fed, vs. Romney, who is a Missionary, Lawyer, Management Consultant. His job at Bain was purely Finance and M&A, he was a leveraged buyout specialist. As things stand currently, Cain has SUBSTANCE, IMO, YMMV.
Cain might be a good Treasury Secretary, especially if ATF is moved to DOJ under a pro-BoR/pro-RKBA AG.
Honestly.... I'm looking for a reason to like Perry... to think of him as someone who not only possesses the desire but also the skill and fortitude to be the leader that this country needs. While I completely respect your decision to support him, I still don't know why exactly. What does he "represent"?anygunanywhere wrote: Perry represents most of what I believe in.
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I'll skip the snarky retort to your "Google" comment...anygunanywhere wrote: The Office of the Governor Economic Development and Tourism Division. Last I checked Rick Perry is the Governor of Texas.
http://www.governor.state.tx.us/news/pr ... ase/16632/
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Perry’s record is part of a long-term trend. Texas has done well in the jobs department for decades. “This point goes neglected,” says Bernard L. Weinstein, professor of business economics in the Cox School of Business at Southern Methodist University in Dallas. “Yes, Texas has created more jobs than any other state” in the last two years. “But that’s been true since 1970. For the last 41 years Texas has added more jobs than any other state, and in most years, has led the nation in job creation,” Weinstein told us. “So Gov. Perry can claim that these jobs were created on his watch, but they were created on everybody else’s watch too.”
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The non-partisan group found that newly-arrived immigrants claimed 81% of state job growth from 2007 to 2011. What's worse, half of those immigrants were illegal -- representing 40% of state growth.
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Newly-arrived immigrants dominated job growth despite representing only 29% of population growth.
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If you draw a rectangle on a piece of paper and put your pen in the bottom left-hand corner and then make a straight line across the box to the top right-hand corner, you've just drawn a graph of employment in Texas for the past 20 years. Really, that's what it looks like. From Gov. Ann Richards to Gov. George W. Bush to Gov. Rick Perry, the state has exploded in population and jobs.
"So it's not just the last 10 years; this has been going on now for 21 years — at least," says Richard Fisher, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.
Fisher says population expansion is driving growth. Every day, about 1,000 people are either born in or move to Texas. That means new housing, roads, retail, schools, police, firemen — the list goes on. And while Perry touts the success of job creation in the private sector, job growth in government employment has been just as strong.
"We're growing at 80,000 schoolchildren a year, so those children are going to have to be accommodated," says Bill Hammond, the president of the Texas Association of Business.
The oil and gas industry provided nearly 40,000 new jobs since 2009, and most pay good wages. A truck driver servicing an oil or natural gas rig earns on average $1,600 a week. Texas is also creating a lot of low-paying jobs
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"The notion that Texas' recent performance is due to some unusually favorable business climate is absurd," said James K. Galbraith, a professor at the University of Texas at Austin.
First, Texas is an energy state, so it benefits from the run-up in oil prices, he said. Then Texas dodged much of the subprime housing bust, so it never lost as many jobs.
When the Dallas Fed reports on "net new jobs," he said, Texas' gains are exaggerated, because other big states lost so many.
Galbraith said the final chapter hasn't been written, either. Austin's budget cuts will eliminate work for thousands of teachers and others in coming months, which has already happened elsewhere.
Pia Orrenius, a senior economist at the Dallas Fed, listed many reasons for Texas' job growth. Energy prices rose steadily, the Barnett Shale has been a big growth driver in North Texas, and the Eagle Ford Shale is now creating jobs and wealth around San Antonio.
With natural gas so abundant, petrochemical exports have surged 633 percent since 2002, she said. Exports to China grew an average of 24 percent a year since 2000. Exports of cotton and other agriculture products are strong, too.
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I have a hard time crediting Perry for Texas' "business friendly" policies... As I said in the post you quoted, IMO, Perry inherited a good situation and, as when Clinton inherited a strong economy from Reagan and GHW Bush, managed to not muck it up.anygunanywhere wrote: Most of the jobs that have been created over the last three years have been in Texas and more Fortune 500 companies have relocated their central operations to Texas under the business friendly policies envisioned by Perry, and we are a much more 2A friendly state as well, but who is counting?
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), Cotton Farmer, Politician. Honestly, "Where's the beef?" As Governor, his most visible "accomplishments" were HPV (opinion deleted) and the Trans-Texas Corridor (which is where now?). I would go so far as to characterize his tenure as Governor as "coasting". Texas was on a good path when he took office and, like Bill Clinton's term in the WH, Perry has managed to not muck it up. Nothing to write home to momma about. He's a frat boy, like GWB, with a good record on 2A. Not enough for me. YMMV
Unelectable, perhaps (I'd argue with you about it), but certainly not BARRED.ArmyStrong1969 wrote:I am in the 20% of Americans that see no evidence for any gods. I am an atheist. We are the largest and most hated minority group in America. A child raping Muslim Jihadist would get elected in this country before an atheist.The Mad Moderate wrote:Care to explain?ArmyStrong1969 wrote:I don't vote or participate in the statist system because 1. I am opposed to governing by violent coersion and 2. Those in my minority group of Americans are barred from being elected to ANY office in this country. No its not the homosexual minority group. They are a smaller but much more accepted minority.
He's not running for Congress in 2012 to focus on the Pers race.Dave2 wrote:War chest for what? I thought he was retiring from congress after this term anyway.RoyGBiv wrote:If there was an award for being honest and consistent, RP would certainly be in the running.texanron wrote:LINK
Ron Paul just doesn't get it.
These comments, IMO, completely sunk what little chance he has of getting nominated.
I know many believe he's running mainly to pad his war chest anyways.
If there was an award for being honest and consistent, RP would certainly be in the running.texanron wrote:LINK
Ron Paul just doesn't get it.
.... because the word "Conservative" is ambiguous.Charles L. Cotton wrote: So why do liberal Democrats and Libertarians claim to be "conservatives?"
Proof? Data? Or just worry, suspicion and fear?The Annoyed Man wrote:Does it bother you that a large majority of all voters (regardless of party, and please note that I did not say "all") who are pro-gay and pro-choice would crush your right to keep and bear arms if they could?Toorop wrote:Gay rights and abortion are also important to me as I am pro-gay rights and pro-choice. I am also pro-gun but it is not the only factor on how I vote.
Reality stinks sometimes.The Annoyed Man wrote:If more Ron Paul supporters were as practical as you are, we would have fewer problems in November getting Obama out of office. With all due respect to your wife, I understand her frustration, but staying home in protest will help to ensure an Obama victory—making her as responsible for the outcome as anybody who votes for him. There really is no middle ground here. A second Obama term would be the permanent death knell of Constitutional government in this country. Either a "stay at home" protest, or a 3rd party protest vote is a vote FOR Obama—no matter the purity of your intentions.punkndisorderly wrote:I love Ron Paul. He has principals and you can pretty much guess what he's going to say before he says it. He'll still say it even if he knows it won't be popular.
I wonder if he's unelectable because he just is, or because the liberals and neo-con politicians, political hacks, and main stream media have repeated it so often it has become true.
I can't stand Perry. He's all politician. He's always struck me a a pretty boy concerned with Rick Perry first, his buddies and cronies second, and Texas third. I'll hold my nose and vote for him if I have to. Obama is worse. My wife can't stand Obama either, but has said she'll stay home on election day if it's between Perry and Obama.
To me, a Perry vs Obama election reminds me of the douche vs thug election on the show South Park.
Most of America will not vote for a person that is sooo ODD.punkndisorderly wrote:I love Ron Paul. He has principals and you can pretty much guess what he's going to say before he says it. He'll still say it even if he knows it won't be popular.
I wonder if he's unelectable because he just is, or because the liberals and neo-con politicians, political hacks, and main stream media have repeated it so often it has become true.