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Kabong30 wrote:It's not about his birth or it's location it's all about him being a casual liar.

This comment has value. I don't condone dishonesty, but I'm trying to think back to the last president who attempted to be completely honest in all aspects of his life. Jimmy Carter comes to mind, but even at the time, he wasn't completely straight with the public either. In any event, the current alternative can't claim to be honest. His bio has more twists in it than a state fair pretzel. Really now, with reference to 2A issues, this guy as governor could talk out of both sides of his mouth and not even move his head.

I attempted to clarify it to speedsix. Read the thread. As for me, I mean no disrespect to you. I too have seen the business end of the military, though in my case it involved at Uzi at the time.

You're taking this discussion thing way too seriously.

No, he's saying you shouldn't sit around and HOPE for a military coup. It's really not an issue with the military though. About everyone with a weapon is still in Afghanistan.

I get not liking the President. Usually in any given year, half the population dislikes the president, whoever he is. Usually there is a tangible reason for it though, such as not supporting particular legislation, or being hard on something, or how a war is waged. But having nothing better to do for 4 years than try to prove he was born elsewhere to a non-American mother? Really? Yes, this is why Romney the Younger will lose the election. Republican perspectives haven't changed an iota since Herbert Hoover, but regardless of the party in power, nobody is ever willing to do the hard, unfavorable work of lowering expenses, raising taxes, and making things balance out. What, higher taxes?? Well, you get what you pay for, or eventually get the result of what you didn't pay for.

This birther garbage gets old and deserves not to be humored. This was settled in about 1980. Another election-another candidate. Romney. Romney came close to being the Republican nominee for president. Prior to the convention his background was reviewed and it was determined that he qualified. When he was born in Chihuahua, his parents were actual residents of Mexico. His mother was still an American citizen though. That made him an American by birth, Just as McCain was an American by birth because he was born outside the USA to a military mother. Perhaps millions of other Americans have been born outside the USA to American parents and they, too, are eligible to run for president. The birthers go on and on about Obama not being born in Hawaii. Let's just assume the documentation is false for a moment. IT DOESN'T MATTER. His mother was an American. He could have been born in Canada or Antarctica. He is still eligible. Having documentation from a state government stating he was born on USA soil in 1961 helps his case, but in the end, it is not critical information. Get on to other stuff of substance.

Edit:
Here is what the reference says from the saved web page:

BARACK OBAMA was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. He was born in Kenya to an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, and was raised in Indonesia, Hawaii, and Chicago. His first book is DREAMS FROM MY FATHER: A STORY OF RACE AND INHERITANCE.

Perhaps someone took some literary freedom with the birthplace but regardless, this reference confirms his mother was an American.