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mamabearCali wrote:My husband and I won't be 70 for another 40 years. You must have the crystal ball to be able to garauntee that we will still have SS in that day and age. Me...I am not counting on it.

I never said it was a guarantee, there are NO guarantees in life. I am not counting on it either, I plan accordingly and have supplemental accounts for that reason.

mamabearCali wrote:

The Mad Moderate wrote:I for the most part support the ACA, I do not like the mandate but see it as necessary given the mandates put on the insurance companies. I think that in the near term rates will go up in the long term I think the costs will go down and be even more affordable. I think in 70 years the ACA will be looked at in the same way the Social Security Act is viewed now. This is not the death of freedom.

Oh you mean that thing my husband and I are forced to contribute to but will never EVER see a penny of.....yeah that is just how I hope lifesaving treatment is handled here in the US.

Could I borrow your time travel device, I would really like to know the lottery numbers for next week.

I for the most part support the ACA, I do not like the mandate but see it as necessary given the mandates put on the insurance companies. I think that in the near term rates will go up in the long term I think the costs will go down and be even more affordable. I think in 70 years the ACA will be looked at in the same way the Social Security Act is viewed now. This is not the death of freedom.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

The Mad Moderate wrote:

steveincowtown wrote:

The Mad Moderate wrote:And here I though the people on the site were smart. I cannot believe so many "smart" people are still buying into the lies of the right wing media machine.

This may be a useless exercise, and please don't see this as an attack, but could you enumerate and explain what right wing media lies that the other posters have bought in to? You could even just do the top three.


Such as:

#1> Do you believe this is NOT a tax?

You can choose the rest...


PS...In the future when you choose to call a group stupid, I would double check grammar and spelling before hitting the old submit button.

1. Yes it is a Tax I cannot dispute that.
2. There is no rationing of care http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statemen ... -can-rati/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
3.It is NOT a government takeover of healthcare http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... nment-tak/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
4. You will not go to jail for not buying health insurance http://www.politifact.com/virginia/stat ... lth-care-/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
5. There are and never will be "Death panels" http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... ath-panel/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That part in red is bull. Collections of the punishment tax will be via the IRS. What if you refuse to pay it? If there is no jail, then they cannot enforce the fine.......same as for any other tax.

By taking your tax refund or garnishing your wages. Having worked for the IRS it is relatively rare to end up in jail for not paying taxes, it happens but not as often as one thinks. Also I believe there are provisions in the bill that forbid it. But what does it matter what I say as you see me and 54% of americans an your enemy. I guess I ought to go crawl in a hole and die now since I am so un-American. Although something about he who is without sin casting the first stone or not throwing stones if you live in a glass house comes to mind. I call you the enemy of liberty for supporting the president who passed the Patriot Act, which striped far more liberty from us than Obama could ever dream of.

steveincowtown wrote:

The Mad Moderate wrote:And here I though the people on the site were smart. I cannot believe so many "smart" people are still buying into the lies of the right wing media machine.

This may be a useless exercise, and please don't see this as an attack, but could you enumerate and explain what right wing media lies that the other posters have bought in to? You could even just do the top three.


Such as:

#1> Do you believe this is NOT a tax?

You can choose the rest...


PS...In the future when you choose to call a group stupid, I would double check grammar and spelling before hitting the old submit button.

1. Yes it is a Tax I cannot dispute that.
2. There is no rationing of care http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statemen ... -can-rati/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
3.It is NOT a government takeover of healthcare http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... nment-tak/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
4. You will not go to jail for not buying health insurance http://www.politifact.com/virginia/stat ... lth-care-/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
5. There are and never will be "Death panels" http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... ath-panel/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Annoyed Man wrote:

The Mad Moderate wrote:And here I though the people on the site were smart. I cannot believe so many "smart" people are still buying into the lies of the right wing media machine.

And I can't believe you're calling us stupid to our faces. Nice.

You called me the enemy of America.

And here I though the people on the site were smart. I cannot believe so many "smart" people are still buying into the lies of the right wing media machine.