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tacticool wrote:Is may be fun to pick a single word out of context and try to derail the conversation. However, people who did the courtesy of reading my comment in context understood me. The TSA employees who honestly don't like the groping would welcome laws against it, like the Texas bill. The bad politicians are not on their side nor ours.

The bad politicians we were discussing are on the same side as the perverts.

tacticool wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:Just so that yall are aware. The house speaker is playing games and political speak. The bill that would at least make a statement if not actually do something to stem the tide of the TSA groping is on the rocks. I can and have called, but since some of yall live in TX you might get more traction than I do. This is important and even if it does not do anything more than bring the issue to the courts and the limelight it would be worth it. So think about it yall--after all they are not just going to be at the airports anymore, but bus station, and train stations and God knows where else. So it will become harder and harder to avoid the TSA gropings if we don't stop it somewhere.

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Any politician who would side with rapists and other criminals by keeping college students and professors disarmed, would probably side with perverts who sexually assault little children and the elderly.

mamabearCali wrote:

VMI77 wrote: I don't go to theme parks and I've only been to one concert since searches have become routine, and don't plan to attend another, so I only know of these searches by what I read. If you dislike such searches why put up with them? I would suggest to you that people tolerating these searches because they find them to be a "minor inconvenience" is at least part of the reason searches are becoming more intrusive at places like airports, and more pervasive generally. Once people become accustomed to the "minor inconveniences" the next step is always a little easier. Intended or not, searches at theme parks and concerts and airports, etc., are conditioning exercises. Americans are slowly being conditioned to accept violations of their persons and their privacy by just about anyone who appears to be exercising any kind of authority.

If you went to visit a neighbor and he wanted to root through your purse or your diaper bag before you entered his house, would you let him? Why not? What about a relative? Again, why not let a relative look through your bag if he or she wanted --or neighbor, or friend? after all, you're willing to let a stranger look. Would you continue to trade at a grocery store that wanted to have a look through your purse or diaper bag?

Why does Sea World need to search your diaper bag? I suggest the reason is that they've made the calculation that they'll make more money selling food and drinks inside then they'll lose in ticket sales, so essentially you're letting them search your bag for the privilege of giving them even more of your money. I'm one of the ticket sales they sacrificed to get you to spend your money on food and soft drinks.

Apparently my first attempt at a reply to this did not get through some how...so take two. Sea World can legally search my bag because it is their park and their rules. However, they know if they decided to search my and my kids bodies that this would impact ticket sales dramatically. So they limit their searches to poking my bag minimally with a stick. Yes it is annoying, yes it is an inconvenience. But my children and I enjoy the rides and the shows. So it is something I put up with. You certainly don't have to, no one is required by their job to go to Sea World.

The government is supposed to be much much more limited in how, when and where they are permitted to search. I must say there is a world of a difference in Shamu poking my bags with a stick and a federal agent giving me and my kids a prison style pat down. Additionally Shamu won't fine me $11,000 if "I say enough poking of my bag I am going home", the TSA will. We can disagree on whether or not the search at Sea World is worth the diaper poking. Surely we can all agree that patting down a child (or anyone really) in an aggressive manner without any cause whatsoever in any venue is illegal, immoral, and unnecessary.