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Keith B wrote:

MeMelYup wrote: That is something Texans need to look into. You go to a firearms show and they have a vender there that sells alcohol. Does that make the entire show 51%?

Only if the TABC shows the 'premises' as the whole location and the vendor makes more than 51% from sale of alcohol for on-premise consumption, then it could be 51%. They should have a sign if it is.

MeMelYup wrote: Ft Worth Zoo, a vender sells alcohol there and uses the zoo address. Does that make the entire zoo 51%? They have a train ride, does that make them an amusement park? They teach groups of kids on school outings about the animals, does that make then an educational institution?

For the 51%, it is the same as above. The Waco Zoo actually has that issue. The liquor license is held by the Cameron Park Zoological and Botanical Society and it is a RED license. The premises is the whole zoo. I called the TABC and they said they reviewed the license and it was valid for the sale percentage.

As for the amusement park, they would have to meet the other requirements to be an amusement park (size, days open, etc.) and then prove that the train was an amusement ride.

They are NOT an educaitonal institution as they are not a 'school'.

Keith B wrote:

locke_n_load wrote:
Keith, I thought the theater was on city property, so no 30.06 or verbal warning carried any weight, except in this instance, the address is 51%, so no carry anyway?

Oh, didn't realize it was owned by the city. But as you stated if it's 51%, then off limits anyway.

Keith B wrote:

alphonso wrote:Sroth,

Thanks for the informative answer. I think you have it right.

I spoke to the "manager" of the theater and he hardly knew a thing about the law, the theater's policies, or the signs that were/were not posted. When pressed, he finally told me that no guns were allowed to respect the wishes of the artists.

Sounds to me like putting the 51% on the whole place, which is as you know, owned by the city is just a slippery trick to abridge my 2nd amendment rights and cause me to walk around downtown unarmed.

The bowling alley analogy is helpful to understand the situation, but unless the bowling alley is city or state owned, not completely relevant.

City Owned buildings are NOT exempt from being off-limits with a 51% sign, just 30.06. TABC requires 51% sign if the premise is licensed as 51%, so that is one way a government building CAN be restricted and off-limits to a CHL.