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by Winchster
Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:46 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: obamacare upheld
Replies: 323
Views: 55341

Re: obamacare upheld

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Winchster wrote:TAM, You can pretty well bet that the day the internet, cell service and cable tv all go down simultaneously that people will be arming themselves in expectation of "something"
Some will be arming themselves. Others, like me, will already have been well armed. BUT......again......I strongly reiterate that this is NOT what we should be desiring. The founding fathers exhausted all other means of trying to get King George to reverse the course he pushed them onto. They did not WANT revolution. It was forced on them. That should be your attitude too.

So what does "exhaust all other means" actually mean? Well, how much money have you given to Mitt Romney's campaign since he is the de facto nominee who will be running against Obama? I put $200 of my hard earned, sparse dollars into his campaign a couple of days ago. What about donations to the political campaigns of other conservatives? How often do you buy booklets to distribute for free to reclaim the minds of the nation's youth? I buy THESE BOOKS 5 or 6 at a time and make sure that I always have 1 or 2 on me to give to a young person—high school or college age—to help them get the foundation that they never received in public schools. I have never failed to have a youngster that I gave that book to express genuine appreciation and say something like "I had no idea...."

There is a lot we can do to reclaim this country without resorting to the ballot box.......just yet.

Ok, so maybe my frustration is getting the better of me. However, I don't see a way back 60-70 years ago to a place where the fed wasn't this bloated, decidedly unconstitutional, monstrosity that it is today. I don't see how electing people into the current system, removes all the freebies that have been created. It's "too painful" and if it could be done in a single session, you can rest assured that the sheep would rally and throw them out of office on the next cycle and begin putting them all back in place. I don't see a way around it. People have become accustomed to a "nanny state" and by virtue of human nature, don't want to give anything up.

All that being said, I'm not advocating insurrection, but if it happened I'd participate versus hoping it went away. If that makes me a bad person, then I can live with that.
by Winchster
Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:42 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: obamacare upheld
Replies: 323
Views: 55341

Re: obamacare upheld

philip964 wrote:OK here is a view I had not heard before.

Roberts gave Obama a poison pill.

He originally sided with the conservatives and appointed him self to write for the majority which at the time was to reject ObamaCare as unconstitutional.

The solicitor general said it was a tax, so Roberts considered that and agreed it was. He issued his opinion and asked the liberals to side with him and they did. They could have said no, but followed the liberal line and get ObamaCare found constitutional, even if it was called a tax. The Poison Pill.

For the rest of the time until the election the liberals must defend ObamaCare as not a tax. But when you say "its not a tax" enough pretty soon everyone just remembers "tax". They may win or they may loose. But you have to agree he has lit a fire under the conservatives like no other.

The Supreme Court is now adjourned. Their clock is not ticking.

Obama, Pelosi and Reed are all saying right now it is not a tax. It will no doubt be the focus of the election.

When the court resumes session in October, any party to the suit, another justice or Robert's himself can ask for a reconsideration of the ruling.

If Obama wins the elections, Roberts can simply write a new opinion, saying that for example: statements made by the president after the opinion was issued, say it is not a tax, we were mislead and therefore, Obamacare is unconstitutional. He has that power and can do it if he wants.

Or if Romney wins and the Republican's take both houses, he can do nothing and wait for it to be voided. Which is sort of what he said in his opinion.

Anyway this is a view I have not heard before.
What I wouldn't give for you to be right.
by Winchster
Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:07 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: obamacare upheld
Replies: 323
Views: 55341

Re: obamacare upheld

TAM, You can pretty well bet that the day the internet, cell service and cable tv all go down simultaneously that people will be arming themselves in expectation of "something"
by Winchster
Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:44 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: obamacare upheld
Replies: 323
Views: 55341

Re: obamacare upheld

Yes, I know several tried and failed. The problem is, the federal government is completely out of control and there is no fixing the situation as it currently exists. We are more than sixty years into socialist government welfare and "progressive" thinking. Once given, it is virtually impossible to take away. It would be "too painful" for whomever it affected, whether it be social security, medicare, obamacare, whatever. The Constitution began its death throes with FDR and the "new deal", and the final bell tolled with the Chief Justice writing law from the bench.

It is not about ego at all. It is about Liberty.

I'm open to suggestion, as to how we fix the current problem. You aren't ever wasting breath in discussing with me, I'm willing to listen to anyone.
by Winchster
Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:10 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: obamacare upheld
Replies: 323
Views: 55341

Re: obamacare upheld

Heartland Patriot wrote:For all of you who say things like "revolution is coming" or a new civil war is in the offing, please tell me how this will happen? I mean, what will start it? Because let me explain something to you: it takes a LARGE GROUP of people to do something like that. If the group is too small, they are labeled "terrorists" or "extremists" or just plain crazies...and then law enforcement will be sicked on them, and they WILL get arrested. And the press WILL tell everyone that the nation was saved by law enforcement who arrested said terrorists, extremists, or crazies...and folks will believe whatever the press tells them to believe. I hate the current administration. I despise their principles, their ideology and their methodology. But, all I can do is tell others WHY I don't like them and then I can go to the polls and VOTE AGAINST the administration and hope that enough of those I talked to will do the same. That's it, there is NOTHING ELSE, until such time as a large enough group of people, AS A WHOLE, come together to do something different than that. Everything else is wishful thinking, even if a lot of folks are thinking the same thing. The Civil War happened because a number of states seceded and banded together in their succession. They lost, yes, but that isn't the point of what I am saying...they were able to make a go of it because they were large enough of a group to do so...otherwise, they would simply have been arrested or captured, and probably hung for treason or imprisoned. So, once again, I challenge any of you who do not love this administration to come up with a plan to get them out of office, and to still feel as if you haven't compromised your principles.
The only way either occurs, is after we have lost all our freedom. "Frogs in a pot" and all that, otherwise you are correct, the numbers are too small to make any appreciable difference. People don't truly appreciate the liberties that we have and won't even begin to make true steps to take them back until we live in an oppressive socialist society. THEN, revolution is possible.

It is my humble opinion, that the best thing that could possibly happen now is for a state, any state, to have the courage to stand up and tell the feds off. For example, if the citizens of the State of Texas, voted for secession and had the willingness to follow through.
by Winchster
Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:52 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: obamacare upheld
Replies: 323
Views: 55341

Re: obamacare upheld

pinkpistol wrote:
236 years. It was a good run.
Are you serious??
Nevermind.

Absolutely serious.
by Winchster
Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:15 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: obamacare upheld
Replies: 323
Views: 55341

Re: obamacare upheld

I'm to the point now that I pretty much no longer care about what happens to the nation. It's dead. Irrevocably, and irretrievably dead and lost. The constitution has been trampled beyond repair, and the fed is so bloated they will never be reigned in. I no longer even believe that a Revolution would fix it. The people of this country will not throw off their chains until they realize they wear them. I am 42 years old and fear that my generation may be the last one to have grown up in a free society. As a result of this SCOTUS decision, there is nothing congress can't tax. I don't believe we, conservatives, can win enough seats, for long enough periods, to undo all the damage done since FDR. This all didn't start with Obama, it just culminated with him. If he wins this election, I believe there is a possibility, however remote, that he will find some way to never leave office. Before everybody starts screaming about me wearing my tinfoil hat, stop and think about it. His EO's have been ballsy, and he flat doesn't believe in the foundation of this country.


I will vote for the strongest State's Rights, Right Leaning, Ultra conservative that I can find. It is my fervent hope that my State survives and continues to prosper. I hope and pray for secession or any other scenario in which our great state tells the Feds in DC to fly a kite.

236 years. It was a good run.

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