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Dad24GreatKids wrote:

safety1 wrote:

jmra wrote:

safety1 wrote:I agree, i won't change his opinion, just as he won't change mine. Let sleeping dogs lie..right?
I do not feel his comment of not feeling it necessary was by any means a directive to me to not carry.
I would love to see a more proactive approach, considering that may not happen. I'll keep my intentions
to myself. I feel like I'm where i need to be and my family feels the same. The urge to educate and
spread the importance of this issue makes me want to enlighten him. What if I was not in attendance?

You don't feel that you are prohibited in any way from carrying which allows you to protect yourself and your family which of course is a good thing.
What do you hope to accomplish beyond members with a CHL being able to carry? Unfortunately current law does not allow for CHLs to form an armed security team without being licensed through the state. So there's no need to pursue that line of conversation. So if you and the other members can legally carry, what is the goal still to be achieved?

I agree! Educations of the facts, but you are right not at the expense of me loosing my right.

If you are trying to educate your pastor, Carl Chinn's book "Evil Invades Sanctuary" is a great resource. Also his website http://www.carlchinn.com. If your church doesn't have a safety program, these resources will help you understand why you need one and how to get started.

ScooterSissy wrote:

safety1 wrote:Of those that have replyed here, do you currently know of any churches that do post 30.06.
Or make notice via verbal or written policy?

Not mine; we're at the other end of the spectrum. Our church held a CHL class, that's where I got mine.

jmra wrote:

safety1 wrote:I agree, i won't change his opinion, just as he won't change mine. Let sleeping dogs lie..right?
I do not feel his comment of not feeling it necessary was by any means a directive to me to not carry.
I would love to see a more proactive approach, considering that may not happen. I'll keep my intentions
to myself. I feel like I'm where i need to be and my family feels the same. The urge to educate and
spread the importance of this issue makes me want to enlighten him. What if I was not in attendance?

You don't feel that you are prohibited in any way from carrying which allows you to protect yourself and your family which of course is a good thing.
What do you hope to accomplish beyond members with a CHL being able to carry? Unfortunately current law does not allow for CHLs to form an armed security team without being licensed through the state. So there's no need to pursue that line of conversation. So if you and the other members can legally carry, what is the goal still to be achieved?

Texas_Blaze wrote:I am blessed at my church every Sunday and Wednesday. I look forward to going. Been attending for several years. I have never once spoken with anyone about my chl or that I carry everywhere it is legal. I carry at church since it isn't posted. I don't see any need to discuss my carrying with a pastor or anyone for that matter. I see no value it.

oljames3 wrote:

safety1 wrote:Discussed CHL and consealed carry at Church with my pastor. He had no intrest in it
and said he didnt think it is necessary. I expalined my position and he still didn't think it
was prudent. Any suggestions? I of course feel very strongly about it, religious groups are
a target and the threats will likely increase in the years to come. What are my options and
what is your church polciy if any on this topic.

In my opinion, you have spiritual and secular options.

I am a Christian, so my world view is shaped by my faith. That is my perspective.

Concerning spiritual options, I am a member of my church because I feel that is were God wants me to be. I have placed myself under the spiritual leadership of my pastor and will follow his guidance. God called me to be a sheepdog before He called me to this church. I spent 34 years in uniform. I retired from the Army. I can't retire from being a sheepdog. If I am not allowed to use my tools and be a sheepdog where I am, I must go elsewhere. You have to decide where you are supposed to be.

Concerning secular options, you and your pastor don't have to agree on all points. As long as your church does not post a 30.06 sign or give effective notice, concealed means concealed. Carry on. After 1/1/16, you'll have another decision to make. James 1:5.

Concerning our church policy, I had a similar discussion with my associate pastor, who is also an NRA member and CHL holder. Our church has no plans to post any signs. Turning people away is not our mission. Bottom line is that members should be respectful of the needs of other worshipers as Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 8:9-13. My rights must not become a stumbling block to the weak. In church, I currently carry under a suit coat, never removing the coat. After 1/1/16, I'll usually carry IWB under my coat, but I may remove my coat when not in the sanctuary. During the worship service, I will be especially mindful of not being a stumbling block to the weak. Another option will be a Sneaky Pete style holster. I will always be a sheepdog.

Keith B wrote:

oohrah wrote:As long as the church does not post 30.06, you can still carry. concealed is concealed.

That is unless the pastor stated he did not want you carrying there. If he stated that, then you have been given effective notice and it would be a violation to carry in the church.