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Beiruty wrote:

Abraham wrote:Beiruty ,

Sorry, after reading and re-reading, I still don't fully understand your post.

Would you please clarify?

If a CHLer decided to engage and stop a crime, say a robbery in progress at your favorite eater, the CHLer is justified in using a deadly force. Since it is justified, the legality of the actions of the CHLer is not the point.
The issue at the hand, should the CHLer engage or be a good witness?
To engage or not engage is a decision the CHLer has to take and this depends on many factors such as:
A) The shooter and his shooting capabilities. Is he a good shooter? is he in good physical condition to seek cover engage one or more threats? An old person or a novice shooter may decide, I can't do it. I will be good witness or I am bailing out.
B) How many threats? Again, many would say, I cannot take out 3 threats in 5 secs. Howver, if you watch a IDPA match, a shooter can place at least 2 holes in 3 targets in less that 5 sec.
C) Does the CHLer has the opportunity to draw and not being killed while doing so? A gun pointed at your head means it is too late to reach for your gun.
D) Are there good guys in the the line of fire? Most would say I am not sharp shooter and I am not drawing on some one who is taking a hostage. Understandable.

Also, many would say I am bailing out. I have nothing to do with this, here I am out of the emergency exit.

I respectfully take the mindset of "Just because you can does not mean you should"
Everyone is going to have their own mindset and I welcome that so long as it is a legal one.

My own opinions are that unless me or my family are being directly threatened and we cannot escape safetly im not going to engage. Especially in situations like armed robbery you never know all the facts. The all too common "accomplice posing as another shopper/hostage" comes to mind.
And while it may seem like a stingy and cold hearted mindset, I have obtained my CHL, spent the time training, and put forth all the necessary costs for fees, firearms, ammunition, etc etc so that myself and my family are protected. I am not the police, I am not a security guard, nor am I a superhero. When it comes down to it...ive got no obligation to anyone other than myself and my family. If you have taken the aproach to not take the proper steps to ensure you are protected, thats your bad. And im sure not going to put myself in harms way because of the choices youve made. CHL holders arent some exclusive club lurking in the shadows, and unless youve got a criminal history there arent alot of hoops to jump through.

Now, we all know its not always cut and dry and there would be times where id probably be forced to bend on that.

YMMV

All I have to say is "WOW!"
Im going to go out on a limb and say that this guy does not have this CHL and has not taken his course. There is no way that one could possibly deduce that logic (mainly on points #2 and ESPECIALLY #3) and have passed the course.


What would be my response? "Show me in writing where it says exactly that". He has put out information and it should therefore be no great feat to produce law stating such. The burden of producing those facts is laid on him, not you. Those who refuse to do so show their true colors.

This guy could probably get hired on at a pawn shop or gun store with that kind of mininformation if this instructor gig goes south