There's no reason not to be civil about it. He's one of us, just hadn't thought it all the way through. He'd listened to too much of the hype about it.Flightmare wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 3:31 pmThankyou for having a civil conversation that helped to encourage thought! We need to be having more of these!clarionite wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 3:28 pm I was doing some training at the range for a couple of clients Saturday, and while I was waiting for them to finish filling out their releases I was chatting with the range master. I asked him if he thought HB 1927 was going to pass. He told me he had serious reservations about it. He thought that too many people would be carrying without knowing our gun laws. I told him it's no different than any other law, ignorance is no excuse.
He said he felt that it was ok, but it should require a training class. Similar to hunter's ed. I asked if hunting was in the constitution? Why should a God given, and constitutionally guaranteed right be infringed? I asked what happened if someone came along and dictated that the price for that class was $500. He said, that's ridiculous. That wouldn't ever happen. I asked him about cans... and their "tax". I asked him why should we have to pay that fee for something that should be a standard hearing protection device we all use? Then we drifted off into the Portland BLM guys pointing rifles at traffic to stop them.
On my way out of the range, he stopped me and said he'd been thinking about it. And he came to the conclusion that I was 100% right.
Even if he wasn't one of us, not being civil wouldn't have gotten anywhere. I find that having a rational conversation about topics like this does one of 3 things...
1. They see the point I'm trying to make, and they may agree or disagree but they understand it's not such a crazy idea.
2. They aren't willing to discuss it in a civil manor, so I remove myself from the conversation.
3. They get frustrated with not being able to rationally defend their position and they remove themselves from the conversation.
I've had more of 1 & 3 than 2 by a long shot if I'm calm and present facts. #1 is by far the most common with people I associate with.