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I'm not to keen on the idea of 3, but there does come a time when discussing a subject, that it's time to leave it there, and agree to disagree.
However I do find it rather interesting that the people who don't want law abiding, licensed CHLers in their home will not answer to the suggestion of :

1) Installing a 30.06 sign.

2) Giving verbal notice BEFORE a service person enters.

Those points have been ignored this whole thread.

Dan

phddan wrote:
It has been suggested many, many times that to keep law abiding CHLers out of your house, all you need to do is post, or give verbal.
Both Right2Carry, and BrassMonkey have refused to address this option.
Why is this??

Dan

I didn'f fail to address anything. I said if I see it, then I will give them a verbal. If I don't see it, I don't care.

I haven't refused to address anything. I know what the law says, but again I think that just because you can and it is allowed doesn't mean you should always do it.

Okey Dokey

Dan

It has been suggested many, many times that to keep law abiding CHLers out of your house, all you need to do is post, or give verbal.
Both Right2Carry, and BrassMonkey have refused to address this option.
Why is this??

Dan

IMHO, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, DOESN'T MEAN YOU ALWAYS SHOULD.
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Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

Ironic, hypocritical, what is the word I'm looking for here?

Who is that famous ol man that said,
"Carry 24/7 or guess right!"

Dan

OK,
hang on a sec, I grew up "helping"all the service people who came to the house, are you telling me this is not accepted here?

Thats exactly what I am saying.
Service people have tools that are heavy, sharp, and dangerous. And you think it is a good idea for your 4 year old to be playing with that???? If the service person is concentrating on their job at hand, it is very hard to not bump, elbow, or step on a little 4 year old that is close.

Dan

Gentlemen, let's keep this civil to avoid the lockdown

This was the original question that started the thread.

andywhite.net wrote:My day job requires me to call on my customers in their homes.

As a new CHL holder, I'm still wrestling with carrying in the customers' homes.

Any input?

Thanks.

The question was answered several times affirming the legal right to carry in a customers home.

Then the question of

"Are you opening yourself up wideopen to getting yourself shot by entering another persons home without announcing you are armed? If they saw your weapon, how would they know you were not there to do them harm?"

came up.

It makes no difference if you are in a home, office, store, or on the street. You might see it as your home, but the service man is looking at it as dealing with the public. Both are correct. And to shoot someone who isn't making threatening moves or gestures is criminal.

Then,

"I still would prefer people I do not know entering my home with a firearm. Especially with a 4 year old here."

The only way to keep a person who is legally carrying with a CHL from entering your home is to post a 30.06 sign, or give them verbal notice. And that 4 year old needs to be kept back out of the way. The service man is there to work, not play with your kid.

"How do I know he/she is legal?"

You don't unless you ask. Every CHL holder I know would be more than willing to put your mind at ease, should they happen to print of flash. Unless they were carrying without a holster and it was tucked in the front of their pants, it would be a safe bet that they are licensed. If it was me, I would be asking what it was, how he likes it and how does he like the holster. What kind of groups he gets, how does the trigger feel, etc., etc., etc. We would probably end up stepping out back and put a few downrange.


"Show me once where I said anything about taking away the rights of others to defend themselves. If service people are going to be afraid of making service calls, I suggest that maybe they find new work preferably one that doesn't have a perceived element of danger to it."

Service people go to many places. From the ghetto's to the affluent. Criminals exist every where. To suggest they find a new job because they are afraid is akin to me asking why you dont move to a place that your are not afraid to go out in public with your gun, if in fact you do have a CHL.

And once again I'll say, post a sign or give a verbal. Your problem is solved, against any law abiding service man. However, you have done nothing to keep a criminal out. Maybe you should think about installing metal detectors at your doors.

Dan

Edited for 10 yod rule. Glockenhammer

Please inform us how we are supposed to know that the service person who flashed or printed is a CHLer. Are you willing to take their word for it?

Our right to posses a firearm does not trump others rights to not allow it in their home.

Jeeeeeez Loueez
What is so hard to understand that a person who possesses a CHL is PERFECTLY LEGAL to carry concealed. Therefor...
IF YOU DON'T WANT A PERSON WITH A CHL TO CARRY IN YOUR HOME, THAN PUT A DAG GUM SIGN UP, OR GIVE VERBAL NOTICE WHEN THEY ARRIVE.
IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!!!!!

Get a sign, give them verbal, or shake in fear. Your choice.

Dan

If some plumber is rooting around undee the sink, there is no reason he can't go over and watch and even help.

No No No No No

Good gravy, I can't believe you are serious. It's bad enough when grown ups get in the work space, but your going to let a child watch and help???!!!!!
That child ought to be in another room, or at least no where near a service man.

Wow

Dan

And yes, if they have a CHL they ARE exactly who I would want around. Just not with a firearm when my son is home.

Your son shouldn't even be in the equation. Why would you let him around sharp and heavy tools, much less get in the way of a working serviceman????????????????

Dan

BrassMonkey wrote:Just because some guy has a CHL, does nt omean he knows how to maintain his equipment. Or how to retain his equipment so it does not land on a tile floor, or someone's foot. Or God forbid, an AD. Just because someone has a CHL does nto mean that I amnot gonna have a heck of a time getting my Homeowners Insurance to pay out on any injuries sustained to either the service person or my family and I.

Do not lump me in with the Anti's. I own plenty of weapons and shoot probably more then most of the people on this board as of late. We just got back from India again where we shot no less then 2 hours a day with the Indian army on my off time. We got to shoot some big stuff too, like stuff mounted on helisopters :-)

Anyway, an Anti argument is that guns kill people, my argument is, that the guy working on my sink may just be the 1 in whatever idiot whose gun goes off accidentally. I prefer not to take the chance. The beautiful part about being my home, and being in America is that it takes only one word being spoken, "Leave" and guess what, I do not have to say anymore than that. No explanation, no have a nice day. Nothing.

That, in my humble opinion is a very weak argument.
I've been in service work for about 20 years. Some of the places I went would scare the heck out of most people.
Your making the same arguments that the anti's use and they just don't work. If they are properly concealing, then you will never know. And being a chl holder tells you that they passed a pretty good background check, so that is exactly who you should want working in and around your house.
Sure sounds like you think that your the only one that should carry.

Either post a sign, or give a verbal. If not, then they are perfectly within their rights to carry. What is so hard to understand.

Dan

I don't understand the hand-wringing.
If you don't want CHLers to carry in your house, than post the 30.06 sign, or give them a verbal before they enter.

Simple

Dan

I also work at other peoples places. Just make sure you stay concealed. Most of the time I just have an ankle holster, because working on the tractor and slinging barbed wire in the heat and humidity isn't conducive to any other concealment method.

Dan