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bdickens wrote:

LAYGO wrote:I do not mean to infer that the banner grants me any authority. Just make it so I'm not targeted by another armed civilian/undercover.

Imply. The word is imply.

Check those synonyms, yo. My languages be fine, ya hear?

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Abraham wrote:Update: Holders of CHLs aren't LEOs.

Nor are they reserve police officers.

Nor are they mandated to step up to the plate (if you will) when things go awry - unless they're personally, immediately threatened or their loved ones or friends are. However , if when they step up and aren't identified as good guys they're subject to being thought of as bad guys - so by all means wear your cape or sash or tiara.

Or, just remember that a CHL isn't more than an O.K. to protect yourself or loved ones. If you go beyond that, good luck...you're not an LEO.

Where are we miscommunicating? Let me reiterate:

I do not mean to infer that the banner (or badge for that matter) grants me any authority. I just want to make sure I'm not targeted by another armed civilian/undercover.

If I'm going to employ my weapon in what I hope would be within my justified use of lethal force, I want to make sure no one mistakes me for a bad guy.

I will agree that CHL carriers are NOT mandated to step up, but if I'm not mistaken, the mall shooter in the northwest was stopped last year by a CHL carrier who did decide to step up.

Abraham wrote:LAYGO

You're laying down a bit of the old tongue in cheek, right?

I'm playing devil's advocate and honestly seeking other's plans for how they intend to not be shot post lethal force incident. I haven't heard a reasonable opposition to the banner (aka sash) yet. The badge as discussed is missed by police & criminals alike.

I do not mean to infer that the banner grants me any authority. Just make it so I'm not targeted by another armed civilian/undercover.

anygunanywhere wrote:I would opt for the High Visibility Vest in Neon Green the has "Texas CHL Holder" in reflective letters on the front and back instead of the sash. They are a tad more manly.

Anygunanywhere

See, I think this is the really the root of the problem. It's NOT that the sash is a bad idea, it's seen as "less manly" because the only common current use is of pageant participants.

Logic & common sense seems to me to dictate that if it helps, utilize it, regardless of the implications of your "manliness". Set aside your ego for a moment.

For the same reason, I don't really care what people think because I don't drink beer or straight hard alcohol. I drink what I like the taste of, I don't care if it has a piece of fruit and an umbrella on it.

Excaliber wrote:

texanjoker wrote:

LAYGO wrote:All this still makes me wonder what's your plan to NOT get shot by say another CHL or off duty/undercover?

Sure the badges & saches are silly, but when IT hits the fan, would it help or hurt?

I dont see how it will help. Having worked plain clothes all the crooks i took down at gunpoint always said they never saw my badge, just saw the gun.

That's true and the phenomenon happens with LEO's too. It's a major challenge when uniformed officers come upon a scene where a LEO in plain clothes has his gun out. Research by the Force Science Institute showed that the badge is often missed, even when conspicuously displayed on the belt or a neck chain. The focus is on he gun.

Ok, silly as it sounds, it seems then the sash would be ideal! Easily visible, can be spotted in low light, no one will be wearing anything like it, so unmistakable (unless you're leading a platoon around base or at a school crossing or picking up garbage). The concept is silly, but the logic behind it sound. So, where's the harm? It isn't a badge that might give the bearer a false sense of authority and keeps you safe(r). Seems like it's win win to me.

So like the discussion of "do you carry one in the pipe?", how many actually DO have the sash, but say they don't? ;)

Devil's advocate here.

All this still makes me wonder what's your plan to NOT get shot by say another CHL or off duty/undercover?

Sure the badges & saches are silly, but when IT hits the fan, would it help or hurt?