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by OldCurlyWolf
Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:03 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Purse snatch at Wal-Mart. What would you have done?
Replies: 127
Views: 20625

Re: Purse snatch at Wal-Mart. What would you have done?

Jumping Frog wrote:
Keith B wrote:You would NOT have the legal right to pursue and use deadly force once the threat to the woman was gone. It would become a gray area REAL quick for you and the lines of justified pulling your gun would be fuzzy. So, you could end up having to defend yourself against an unjustified use of the gun and trying to scramble to prove what you did was legal.
I forget the various conditions spelled out in the CHL course regarding the use of ordinary force (i.e., not deadly force). I recall that holding someone at gunpoint is ordinary force, not deadly force.

However, if that lady had $20 in her purse, I don't think ordinary civilians have the right to use force to detain someone for a misdemeanor. Can anyone chime in with what the law says about conditions for use of force?
While a purse snatch is often only prosecuted as theft and the dollar amounts involved would almost never reach felony proportions, in actuality, if the purse snatched is taken from the person of the person who owns the purse, then you are dealing with robbery, which is always a felony.

Sounds real convoluted, doesn't it. Actually it is simple

Thief sneaks up, grabs purse from where it was set down, owner doesn't see it happen, snatcher takes off, owner notices and hollers. Charge is theft.


Thief sneaks up, grabs purse from where it was set down, owner does see it happen, snatcher takes off, owner hollers. Charge is robbery.


Thief sneaks up, grabs purse from owners immediate possession, snatcher takes off, owner hollers. Charge is robbery. Sometimes called robbery by force. If a weapon is seen or threatened, then it is Aggravated Robbery.

Unless someone gets hurt, purse snatching is almost never prosecuted as robbery, though in many cases it could be prosecuted that way.

As to use of force, I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted in Texas for tripping/tackling a purse snatcher and sitting on them until the PD/SD/HP arrive. Of course if the snatcher pulls a weapon all bets are off. Katy bar the door. :smash:
by OldCurlyWolf
Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:20 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Purse snatch at Wal-Mart. What would you have done?
Replies: 127
Views: 20625

Re: Purse snatch at Wal-Mart. What would you have done?

speedsix wrote:...thanks, OCW...you hurt him worse than most do...testifying that, point by point, he committed the elements of the crime...a good, factual witness is gold...and more rare...he's to be thanking God he didn't pull his popgun on that occasion...
...at a Kroger near me, there have been several cases where the lady was held up at gunpoint for her purse, car, groceries...it's gettin' bad out there...
I was never called to testify. They had him on several charges. One of which was auto theft. They went for the bigger felonies.

I believe he took a plea deal. With consecutive sentences, he could have gotten 50+/- years.
by OldCurlyWolf
Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:57 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Purse snatch at Wal-Mart. What would you have done?
Replies: 127
Views: 20625

Re: Purse snatch at Wal-Mart. What would you have done?

Do what I did in 2007 in Dallas. Be a good witness and pick the "Person" out of a line up array. He used force, he took it directly from the woman, not a cart, but not the type to justify deadly force in return.

I was ready if I had seen a weapon or him trying to run over someone in his escape, but it never left the holster.

I did find out later he had a derringer in his pocket when arrested. Never did find out if it was loaded.

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