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RECIT wrote:I looked at the KRISS and the USC from HK. The KRISS was way over priced in my opinion unless you plan on shooting full auto. No real value if you are not, it is clunky and kinda clumsy feeling as well as odd looking. The USC is still on the expensive side, but there is one for sale used on budsgunshop.com for $1299.00. That is $200 cheaper than I have ever seen one. I like the USC but I do not LOVE it. THE UMP is another story though. But again you start talking KRISS money again.

I think the CX4 is the best solution for a budget minded buyer. I had one in 9mm and it was a dream to shoot, incredibly accurate past 50yds, totally ambidextrous, and light weight. My wife loved shooting it and found the iron sights to work very well for her.