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by Dave2
Fri May 11, 2012 11:51 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Bad plan: Carry under MPA, act as CHL, claim ignorance.
Replies: 40
Views: 4763

Re: Bad plan: Carry under MPA, act as CHL, claim ignorance.

alvins wrote:So this whole "ignorance of the law is no excuse" applies to the police which I dought know every single law on the books?
I don't know. IMHO, it certainly should.
by Dave2
Thu May 10, 2012 12:09 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Bad plan: Carry under MPA, act as CHL, claim ignorance.
Replies: 40
Views: 4763

Re: Bad plan: Carry under MPA, act as CHL, claim ignorance.

Purplehood wrote:
Dave2 wrote:
Purplehood wrote:
kjolly wrote:Whether you carry under the MPA or not, remember your car is still your best weapon. You can run away from trouble and in a last resort it has a lot more stopping power than a bullet.
Get your CHL and you don't have to worry about the distinctions and unlike a credit card its a proud piece of plastic to own.
I would have to differ. My card is not "proud", it is concealed. Just like my weapon.
You conceal your car? :biggrinjester:
Should I?
Can you? I'm not sure they make pants that big. "rlol"
by Dave2
Thu May 10, 2012 8:39 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Bad plan: Carry under MPA, act as CHL, claim ignorance.
Replies: 40
Views: 4763

Re: Bad plan: Carry under MPA, act as CHL, claim ignorance.

Purplehood wrote:
kjolly wrote:Whether you carry under the MPA or not, remember your car is still your best weapon. You can run away from trouble and in a last resort it has a lot more stopping power than a bullet.
Get your CHL and you don't have to worry about the distinctions and unlike a credit card its a proud piece of plastic to own.
I would have to differ. My card is not "proud", it is concealed. Just like my weapon.
You conceal your car? :biggrinjester:
by Dave2
Wed May 09, 2012 4:38 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Bad plan: Carry under MPA, act as CHL, claim ignorance.
Replies: 40
Views: 4763

Re: Bad plan: Carry under MPA, act as CHL, claim ignorance.

jdkinman wrote:
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:But he apparently painted a picture of how he could carry the gun in his vehicle under MPA, then stretch his carrying of
the gun outside the vehicle. Then if the LEO's showed up, he'd claim ignorance and try to ride the MPA train out of trouble town.

Tom Gresham was dumbfounded, and told the guy that he should just get his CHL, and not play fast and loose with MPA.

SIA
This kind of "logic" is what makes me want to beat my head against a wall.

First off, it assumes any cop you run into under this premise is an idiot.

Two, it takes HUGE advantage of any lenience or understanding that the cop may have for you.

Three, it's very sloppy, very immature and makes us all look bad.

And finally, it coattails on those of us who are cognizant about doing THINGS RIGHT so as not to unnecessarily jeopardize things for all other gun-owners.

JD
Yeah, that plus, "ignorance of the law is not a defense to prosecution" is what Tom Gresham said.
by Dave2
Wed May 09, 2012 4:19 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Bad plan: Carry under MPA, act as CHL, claim ignorance.
Replies: 40
Views: 4763

Re: Bad plan: Carry under MPA, act as CHL, claim ignorance.

I found the segment in question in their archives (it starts at ~16:45). The caller's main argument is that if you don't take the CHL class, you can't get in trouble for breaking the laws that you would've learned about in your CHL class.
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Needless to say, Mr. Gresham refuted the caller's argument.
by Dave2
Wed May 09, 2012 3:47 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Bad plan: Carry under MPA, act as CHL, claim ignorance.
Replies: 40
Views: 4763

Re: Bad plan: Carry under MPA, act as CHL, claim ignorance.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:A few Sunday nights ago, Tom Gresham's "Gun Talk" program took a call from a man in Texas,
city/town unspecified.

He said "Everyone down here in Texas is getting their CHL's. But Texans have the ability to carry firearms in their
car under MPA (Motorist Protection Act, which allows vehicle carry, but is not as robust as the CHL), so why bother to
get a CHL?"

Unfortunately at that point I had to leave the truck, and missed the scenario that the caller was laying out.
But he apparently painted a picture of how he could carry the gun in his vehicle under MPA, then stretch his carrying of
the gun outside the vehicle. Then if the LEO's showed up, he'd claim ignorance and try to ride the MPA train out of trouble town.

Did anyone hear this show? If so, please fill in the details.

Tom Gresham was dumbfounded, and told the guy that he should just get his CHL, and not play fast and loose with MPA.

Comments welcome.

SIA
Dunno who Tom Gresham is, but he sounds like a smart guy.

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