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flintknapper wrote: Three minutes would seem like eternity if you were "waiting" for someone to save you from a determined attack.

Even a 1 minute rendition of this would be convincing.

Amen to that. Sounds like a good demo for the CHL forum day.

llwatson, KD5NRH - I knew the bleed-out time was shorter than a min. Thanks for the data. We could compile all the data for loss of conciousness. After unconciousness happens, and probably some time before, you can't defend yourself.

In the Ranger Medic Handbook they list preventable causes of death in combat.
They shake out like this:
60% Bleeding to death from extremity wounds.
33% Tension pneumothorax
6% Airway obstruction (maxillofacial trauma)


The EMT have a special name for the first 5 minutes. Anyone know what it's called

KD5NRH - I like your idea. I realize folks focus on the time issue, but its really an initiative problem. If you get behind the curve in say the first 10 seconds, can you recover and regain the initiative. The response time really becomes a non-issue once viewed in the proper context.

flintknapper wrote:I see nothing wrong with dialing "911" or removing yourself from a bad situation (running/walking away). This of course, assumes that both time and circumstance allow for it.

This may be unobtainable as the BG chooses when and where, as well as who.

flintknapper wrote: On the other hand, if your friend has the idea that every situation can be solved by simply calling (and waiting) for help to arrive......then she needs to witness a demonstration of how much damage can be done in the scope of 3 minutes (an excellent response time for LEO). Ask her (respectfully) to consider that.

You are 100 % correct, a whole lot can happen in three minutes.
Take a look at how much damage MMA fighters can inflict on each other in three minutes. How about if we consider multiple BG's, then what?
How long does it take someone to bleed out from an arterial knife wound? 1 or 2 mins. ?
You can be concussed. KO'ed - stowed in a van and miles down the road........

The badguy chooses the location, not the victim.