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by Jumping Frog
Thu May 28, 2015 6:14 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Cleveland PD to start wearing pink tutus - almost
Replies: 12
Views: 1274

Re: Cleveland PD to start wearing pink tutus - almost

It is easy to talk about tutu's, neutering, political correctness, etc.

However, this is also a police department that has a decades-long reputation for corruptness, poor training, daily violations of basic constitutional rights, and unaccountable use of force and deadly force. It is a product of a powerful police union aligned with a Democratic-machine in power that has ruled for decades with zero accountability.

When I read the points made in the article, I find that I agree with many of them from a citizen's viewpoint that wants good effective policing. I cannot quote everything in the article, as it would violate both copyright and the forum rules, but these points are already policy is good police departments:
-- Officers normally will not use force against persons who are handcuffed or otherwise restrained, unless it is objectively reasonable and necessary under the circumstances to stop an assault, escape, or as necessary to fulfill other law enforcement objectives;

-- Officers will not use force against persons who only verbally confront them and do not impede a legitimate law enforcement function:

-- CDP will explicitly prohibit the use of retaliatory force by officers. Retaliatory force includes, for example, force in excess of what is objectively reasonable to prevent an escape to punish individuals for fleeing or otherwise resisting arrest; and force used to punish an individual for disrespecting officers;

-- Officers will not use head strikes with hard objects, except where lethal force is justified. Officers will be trained that a strike to the head with any impact weapon could result in death;

-- Other than to protect an officer's or other person's safety, officers will not use force to subdue an individual who is not suspected of any criminal conduct;

-- CDP's policy will expressly provide that using a firearm as an impact weapon is never an authorized tactic. Officers will be trained that use of a firearm as an impact weapon could result in death to suspects, bystanders, and themselves;

-- Officers will not use neck holds;

-- CDP will continue to limit vehicle pursuits to those in which the need to capture the suspect outweighs the danger to the public. CDP will continue to limit the number of CDP vehicles that may be involved in a vehicle pursuit;
Sorry, but that is good policy.

Personally, I think the below quote is probably mangled by the news reporter:
-- Officers will not discharge a firearm from or at a moving vehicle, unless use of lethal force is justified by something other than the threat from the moving vehicle;
I believe the intent was to say if a vehicle is simply driving down the road with no other threat apparent from the vehicle, it is not justified to shoot at the vehicle. Think in terms of reasonable suspicion or probable cause. Sure, if the vehicle is displaying a gun, or attempting to run over a police officer, then deadly force is justified and that qualifies as "something other". Again, note one of the triggering incidents was a car that was shot 147 times and the only thing the guy did was flee from police.
by Jumping Frog
Wed May 27, 2015 2:52 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Cleveland PD to start wearing pink tutus - almost
Replies: 12
Views: 1274

Re: Cleveland PD to start wearing pink tutus - almost

This was driven by the incident where a guy driving a 1979 Chevelle backfired when passing a police station while speeding. A patrol car radioed he had shot at the police station. He was chased by dozens of police cars from multiple districts. When caught, he and his girlfriend passenger were shot 147 times.

Yes, I said 147 times. :shock: :roll:

One officer was charged who jumped up onto the hood of the car after all other shooting had stopped. He proceeded to shoot the now dead suspect 15 times through the windshield, emptying one mag, reloading, and emptying the next mag. He was acquitted because they could not prove he murdered them because it was likely they were already dead.

BTW, both driver and passenger were unarmed.

As far as other stuff, how about routinely hitting people in the head with a firearm?

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... hitti.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Cleveland police will stop hitting people on the head with their guns and document any time they unholster them, according to a consent decree between the U.S. Justice Department and Cleveland police released today.

The Justice Department found in a 21-month investigation that began in 2013 that Cleveland police routinely bash people on the head with their guns, sometimes accidentally firing them, according to a 58-page report released in December.
:shock: You know, it seems a bit of a no-brainer to me of what not to do... 4 Rules of gun safety and all that.

And some wonder why ordinary people are loosing confidence and trust...

"Many of the things are the long-standing policies in these good department. Like hitting people with their guns, like a baton," Walker said. "The good departments banned that decades ago."

"It is also unclear why CDP appears to be categorizing hitting someone with a gun as a conventional response when force is needed," the December report said. "This is uniformly understood to be a dangerous practice that should never be permitted except in very unusual and exigent circumstances in which the use of deadly force is authorized; yet, it was a practice we saw CDP officers engaging in too frequently."

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