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FishInTx wrote:Ever get your M&P Jumping Frog? How's it running?

Life intervened.

Yeah, I am really ticked off at the libtards.

Now I am walking around with cash in my wallet -- literally -- to buy the S&W M&P Pro 9 CORE.

There isn't a gun to be found, the shelves everywhere are bare.

I've tried ordering the gun and been told no, they didn't want to deal with not knowing when the distributor could get it or what they would charge when it finally was in stock.

I am stuck, stuck, stuck.

C-dub wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:(19) Glock 17
( 4) Glock 19
(71) Glock 34
Total Glock - 108

(20) M&P 9
( 3) M&P 9L
(33) M&P Pro 9
Total S&W - 102

I'm only counting 94 Glocks and 56 S&Ws.

There were also .40 & .45 cal guns from both manufacturers included in the manufacturer total, as well as a number of S&W revolvers.

MegaWatt wrote:Kinda boils down to the classic Chevy - Ford debate.

Yep, those discussions are fun too.

canvasbck wrote:3) Trigger: Qualified edge to the M&P Pro This edge only applies to the factory triggers. I am only referring to the Pro Series, the trigger on the 9L is spongy with a wimpy reset.

Anything else different between the PL and the Pro? Sounds like the Pro Series is the better S&W choice.

Well it is always fun to discuss firearms pro's and con's so I thought I'd get this topic going.

I am going to pick up another 9mm for range use and competition (IDPA). I have no intention of carrying this gun, so carry considerations are not applicable. Going into the discussion, I am preliminarily thinking either a Glock 34 or a S&W M&P Pro 9L, but am willing to discuss other options.

The attributes that matter to me are:

1. Reliability. Will fire and cycle every time. Period. I don't want to practice malfunction drills during a match.
2. Accuracy. I want a gun that is more accurate than I am (and I'm a pretty good shot). This isn't a 7 yard gun, I enjoy shooting 25-50 yards. Who knows, I may want to try Bianchi Cup style competition someday.
3. Trigger. I am not a fan of traditional DA/SA triggers, where the first shot has a different trigger feel than subsequent shots. I want a DAO trigger under 5 lbs, like you'd see with either of the above guns with an aftermarket connector. I am looking for relatively short travel with a crisp break and positive reset. My normal everyday carry gun is a 1911, so I am familiar with that trigger and it is not what I am looking for.
4. Sights. I'll put some kind of high visibility, probably fiber optic, sights on it. Obviously, Glock and M&P's have a bunch of aftermarket sight choices, but if you are introducing a different brand, things like aftermarket sight availability become pertinent.
5. IDPA SSP. I want to compete in SSP (Stock Service Pistol) class. This rules out the SA XD series, as they are classified as ESP since they are technically single action triggers.

Looking at the equipment survey for the most recent IDPA Nationals is interesting, if you subscribe to the theory "let's see what is working for other people." This is from the IDPA 4th Quarter 2012 Tactical Journal:

(19) Glock 17
( 4) Glock 19
(71) Glock 34
Total Glock - 108

(20) M&P 9
( 3) M&P 9L
(33) M&P Pro 9
Total S&W - 102

The next most popular handgun models were:

(7) Wilson Combat CQB
(5) XDm
(5) XDm 5.25

No other individual model had as many as 5. Looking at the totals by manufacturer, Springfield Armory in total had 25, Kimber 14, STI 13, and Wilson Combat 13. No other manufacturer exceeded 5.

I am considering Glock because I've known too many people who simply rave about their reliability. Concerns for me are the grip angle and the rare times when I've tried stock Glock triggers they just feel mushy to me. In fairness, I haven't actually shot a Glock in over 5 years (Maybe that's my sign . . . ).

I am considering S&W M&P because when I am not carrying my 1911, I am carrying an M&P. I really like my current M&P and shoot it well. Grip angle would be consistent with my carry guns.

Concerns for me are I've read some online discussions that said S&W made some inline manufacturing changes that made the Pro 9L more reliable, but it is now less accurate. I've read of people complaining about 4"-6"-8" groups at 25 yards. That would drive me crazy. (Edited to add: I have no idea if this is internet rumor or has any truth to it.)

So, let's have at it. You know what they say about opinions -- we all have one.