Sure hope you aren't on the jury either. Although you use the qualifier "necessarily", you also cannot rule out that a single punch would justify deadly force. How many are we supposed to wait for if a single punch isn't enough? The second punch? A full-blown beating? What if the second punch is to the head?Keith B wrote:Sure hope I never have to serve on a jury where you shot someone for one punch to the body.jocat54 wrote:A single punch to the body will get you shot.Keith B wrote:A single punch to the body does not necessarily justify use of deadly force and if you jump the gun (no pun intended) you will end up with a charge of manslaughter that you will not beat.
Put me on the jury, and I think it is quite reasonable to use deadly force in response to a punch.KingofChaos wrote:Friend, you're currently amongst a sympathetic audience, but I'd vote to convict.JP171 wrote:gents, a SINGLE punch to the body can incapcitate period, yea it has to be done right but a single punch can put you on the floor and you won't be able to do anything other than try to gasp for air, and if your really unlucky you won't be able to get that air. so yea IMHO (with my off center moral compass) the first hit gets lead injection.
I've been following self defense/gun forums for years. Can't tell you how many times I've read news accounts of people being killed with one punch to the head. Sure, there are a lot of people who get punched in the head and don't die, but I also don't need to risk being the one who does die.
Also, I've also got a brother who sustained a traumatic brain injury, and let me tell you, there is no way I am going to let myself be at risk of being on the receiving end of that. If you have not seen what someone goes through after a TBI, then don't be so quick to judge what you'd think or say on a jury.
Nowhere in the self defense statutes does it state I need to take a punch, or take a beating, before I can use deadly force. It says, and I quote, "(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary: (A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force;"
Unlawful deadly force is "known by the actor to cause, or in the manner of its use or intended use is capable of causing, death or serious bodily injury."
Well, I know that a single punch can definitely qualify as "capable of causing, death or serious bodily injury". Someone punches me, I am shooting them. I will not risk my life trying to quibble over whether one punch is enough, or do I need to wait for the second punch.