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by steveincowtown
Fri May 25, 2012 10:58 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CHL and Vehicle?
Replies: 66
Views: 7025

Re: CHL and Vehicle?

RottenApple wrote:
steveincowtown wrote:The right to travel and freedom of movement is a right guaranteed by the Constitution. Using your logic that flying is "voluntary" and therefore can be regulated, then the Federal government should be able to regulate everything down to the shoes on your feet.

...wait a second, they already do.
You have the right to travel. You do not have the right to travel using just any method you wish.

Airlines are (for the most part) private corporations and can restrict their services to those whom they choose. For "safety" (ok, really it's the ILLUSION of safety) reasons, the government has placed certain requirements on air travel. If you don't like those requirements, you have other options. You can drive, take a bus, walk, or even buy your own plane. The government has not abridged your freedom to move about.

...at least not yet.
The Airlines are not making the free choice to have TSA screen passengers. If they were able to make that choice I would guarantee that a new airline would pop up that allowed travel with fewer restrictions.

All the methods of travel you mentioned (even walking) are regulated by the Government all ready.

Just sayin'.....
by steveincowtown
Fri May 25, 2012 10:23 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CHL and Vehicle?
Replies: 66
Views: 7025

Re: CHL and Vehicle?

RSJ wrote:
57Coastie wrote:
RSJ wrote: ...and airports are voluntary consent, you have the right NOT to fly or to leave
If you are indeed a lawyer in the making, RSJ, you may be privileged to observe first hand the consideration of a significant question of Constitutional Law and Federal/State relations.

Yours is the same legal argument the State of Texas makes with respect to requiring ladies desiring an abortion to arguably be raped by a physician. Yes, having an instrument of any kind inserted into her vagina without her consent is now considered by the FBI to be rape:

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/sto ... 52398350/1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I suspect this issue about whether the lady's consent is truly voluntary will be addressed by the courts during your lifetime, if not mine.

Jim
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^ it is in every criminal procedure textbook and constantly being (unsuccessfully) tested. IMHO wanting to fly and going to the airport isn't a right. You being there in line is purely voluntary. I see a difference between that and the "...State of Texas makes with respect to requiring ladies desiring an... ", a litigious issue that IMHO is a state mandate violating privacy.

The right to travel and freedom of movement is a right guaranteed by the Constitution. Using your logic that flying is "voluntary" and therefore can be regulated, then the Federal government should be able to regulate everything down to the shoes on your feet.

...wait a second, they already do.

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