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by steveincowtown
Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:51 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Going to Big Bend to camp
Replies: 67
Views: 22778

Re: Going to Big Bend to camp

CC Italian wrote:
Yes, they can. I know it stinks, I think it falls under the law code title 36 of national parks and department of Interior. I have gone to several federal parks out west (Colorado, Wyoming etc) and they can put restrictions on where you can carry in a federal park if they "deem" it a safety issue etc etc. The perfect example is http://www.nps.gov/cave/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm Carlsbad Caverns. You can't really take it anywhere if you read it closely. Also, other national parks have the superintendents compendium if the choose. I forgot the park but one in Colorado would not let me carry bear mace while another federal park in Colorado would. If said federal parks superintendents say you can't then it is a no go. I even called two national parks and talked to two head federal LEO rangers at both parks and they said basically there is a law written in that allows the superintendent to restrict what they "deem" is a safety issue and that I need to check each federal park for compendiums.

Title 36 is specifically addressed in the law, and the law specifically says that it supersedes title 36.

You can click here to read the whole text.

http://www.nps.gov/cuva/parkmgmt/upload ... 202009.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



(b) PROTECTING THE RIGHT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BEAR ARMS
IN UNITS OF THE NATIONAL PARK SYSTEM AND THE NATIONAL WILDLIFE
REFUGE SYSTEM.—The Secretary of the Interior shall not
promulgate or enforce any regulation that prohibits an individual
from possessing a firearm including an assembled or functional
firearm in any unit of the National Park System or the National
Wildlife Refuge System if—
(1) the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from
possessing the firearm; and
(2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with
the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park
System or the National Wildlife Refuge System is located.





Also here is a memo that was sent out around the time this was enacted...

http://www.nps.gov/legal/ActivationMemo ... ession.PDF" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So much confusion at the Federal Level with what should be a simple issue.
by steveincowtown
Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:36 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Going to Big Bend to camp
Replies: 67
Views: 22778

Re: Going to Big Bend to camp

Terlingueno wrote: You may not open carry a long gun in the park(per the Superintendent and Chief Ranger), it must stay in the vehicle
Ugh. I reviewed the text of the law again and I can't find any wording that gives the Chief Ranger/ Superintendent that authority to override the law. No offense, but stuff like this make me sick.
by steveincowtown
Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:24 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Going to Big Bend to camp
Replies: 67
Views: 22778

Re: Going to Big Bend to camp

Rex B wrote:CC Italian - The laws governing Texas State Parks have zero relevance for National parks.
Two sets of laws, state and federal, just like anything else.
Exactly. There seem to some confusion about about what Section 512, P.L. 111-24 made legal. It has nothing to do with what is legal in that State's Parks being allowed in National Parks in that state. It has to do with what is legal in the state itself becoming legal in the park in which the state sits.

http://www.nps.gov/legal/ActivationMemo ... ession.PDF" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As long as you are not prohibited from by law from possessing the firearm, and you are acting within the laws of the state in which National Park resides, you should be fine carrying in any manner which is allowed by that state.

BUT, I don't this would be the case if approached by a Ranger. I am sure they are going to be thinking more in terms of concealed carry.

YMMV, INAL, DYOR, etc. etc.

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