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by steveincowtown
Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:17 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Border Patrol Check Point Outside El Paso
Replies: 72
Views: 16216

Re: Border Patrol Check Point Outside El Paso

gigag04 wrote:
steveincowtown wrote:
gigag04 wrote:
steveincowtown wrote: Can we at least agree that as an American, I have the right to say no to a warrantless search of my home, car, etc?
No - we cannot agree. Read up on the legal concepts of exigent circumstances and probable case to find why. The YouTube legal experts offer legal advice that is worth what it costs.
I get the probale cause with the dog but what eminent threat exsist to BP agents away from the border that required the immediate execution of a warrantless search?

Anyone who chooses to open up their car or home to search is welcome to do so. I will not.
If PC exists, a car may be searched without warrant. The exigent circumstance is that it is moveable.

If a SW is to be obtained for the residence, the (case) law permits a protective sweep to empty and secure the house, and everyone sits outside while an officer obtains the warrant. Evidence observed during the sweep is admissible into the SW and used to build PC.
...took the weekend off to enjoy what is left of one of our vanishing Texas Lakes.

Gigag04- Even though I don't agree 100%, that is a very concise explanation. Looking back at it, I guess the trouble I have is what right does a BP agent have to stop someone who is not at the border? I come through customs 10ish times per year, and I don't have any issues with what they do at our airports ad borders, I get that it is necessary there. However I do feel that if we do not restrict their authority to these defined areas, they will (like everything else in Government) continue to expand and grow unchecked.

Also, I notice many of the replies have reference SCOTUS says this, or SCOTUS says that. IMHO, We have a great constitution and a mediocre Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court rules that it turns out the 2nd Amendment doesn't really mean what is says (which is what I believe they have done to the 4th), will we just rely on their judgments then to?
by steveincowtown
Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:39 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Border Patrol Check Point Outside El Paso
Replies: 72
Views: 16216

Re: Border Patrol Check Point Outside El Paso

gigag04 wrote:
steveincowtown wrote: Can we at least agree that as an American, I have the right to say no to a warrantless search of my home, car, etc?
No - we cannot agree. Read up on the legal concepts of exigent circumstances and probable case to find why. The YouTube legal experts offer legal advice that is worth what it costs.
I get the probale cause with the dog but what eminent threat exsist to BP agents away from the border that required the immediate execution of a warrantless search?

Anyone who chooses to open up their car or home to search is welcome to do so. I will not.
by steveincowtown
Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:55 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Border Patrol Check Point Outside El Paso
Replies: 72
Views: 16216

Re: Border Patrol Check Point Outside El Paso

gigag04 wrote:
steveincowtown wrote:
smtimelevi wrote: Other than wasting my time not too bad.
and completely violating your 4th Amendment rights.

Shame this is going on but glad to hear they were at least polite; I am sure the Nazi's were at first as well.
This is rediculous. Read up on search and siezure case law before comparing BP agents that get shot at from Mexican cartels to Nazis. This comparison is uneducated, baseless, and unnecessary. I'd go on to explain why the search was legal, but I don't think it would matter much.
Not intended as a dig at LEO or other. Can we at least agree that as an American, I have the right to say no to a warrantless search of my home, car, etc? Or is that too much?

PS. I am well educated, earn a good living, and can read...the Constitution.
by steveincowtown
Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:47 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Border Patrol Check Point Outside El Paso
Replies: 72
Views: 16216

Re: Border Patrol Check Point Outside El Paso

Oldgringo wrote:
smtimelevi wrote:
...Ive definitley got to get better about drawing the line with the LE when I know theyre crossing it.
Let us know this works out for you.
I think if done correctly and politely a reasonable LEO will know that you know your rights.

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I am hope no one here would give up their 4th Amendments rights any quicker than their 2nd.

Edit- as apparently I forgot my amendments for about 2.2 seconds
by steveincowtown
Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:40 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Border Patrol Check Point Outside El Paso
Replies: 72
Views: 16216

Re: Border Patrol Check Point Outside El Paso

smtimelevi wrote: Other than wasting my time not too bad.
and completely violating your 4th Amendment rights.

Shame this is going on but glad to hear they were at least polite; I am sure the Nazi's were at first as well.

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