bronco78 wrote:Both YOU and your Drill Sergeant were wrong, then and now...
FUNCTIONING • 12. METHOD OF OPERATION.-a. A loaded magazine is placed in the receiver and the slide drawn fully back and released, thus bringing the first cartridge into the chamber. (If the slide is open push down the slide stop to let the slide go for- ward.)
So yes, the function part is called a stop, that same part IAW the users manual, the Field Manual for the M1911 clearly denotes depressing the Slide Stop to let the slide go forward.... By the way, I pated that quote from the Marine Corps Field Manual..
It's one thing to be a sharp shooter and takes things off topic, it's another when said sharp shooter is incorrect and only adds white noise to the discussion.
Now, since there was no M1911 involved in this thread, perhaps we can get back on topic.
Are you always this rude to perfect strangers, bronco, or am I a special case for some reason?
My DI is not wrong. He is dead. He gave his entire life to his country, thru WWII, Korea and on into training the new generation for who knew what. I can tolerate insults to myself. I am waterproof. But to see this man insulted turns my stomach.
Your quote from the USMC manual duplicates FM 23-35 of 1940, so it goes way back. I still have my copy issued to me in 1953.
Could I suggest that arguably we are both right, and both wrong here. Me for not pointing out the difference in procedure laid out in the manual depending upon whether the slide is back or forward, and you for exactly the same reason, as you clearly use very unfriendly language which ignores that sometimes it is indeed correct to load the first round by jacking the slide.
If I might elaborate a bit further, my DI was a veteran of more than five years of combat, and he used the M1911 for what it was intended. He went a bit further than we see in FM 23-35. It was his position that racking the slide is "more gentle" on the pistol, and the slam (as in Slamfire) you get by releasing with the slide stop was discouraged when other than in combat, where the objective was to get a round in the breech in as short a period of time as possible, but, to do it unnecessarily, always, causes unnecessary stress on parts of the weapon. You may disagree if you wish. No problem. I will observe, for what it is worth, perhaps nothing, that those are the same insturctionsI received from the armorer of the AMU -- the guy who had to rebuild these weapons.
Maybe we have a generation gap here, and my long use of the real M1911 colors my position. I will admit that.
In closing, if this is your forum or you are a moderator I will accept your incontinent and grossly rude discipline. But until then I will not. In my opinion safety is never off-topic.
Elmo
Ditto.