Howdy Russ,
You wrote:
"How much value I place on my Grandmother's old photo album? And should I send a bill to the BG for that? After all, he destroyed them because they meant nothing to him!"
This is almost the exact example the instructor used - he said, if the guy took your irreplaceable family pictures, and is stopping as he runs away to burn them one at a time, your property is clearly *not* recoverable so that 9.42 paragraph does not apply.
I doubt the instructor meant any of this to be taken literally. My impression is that he wanted to emphasize that, while one *can* leagally shoot someone to protect property, in some cases, one is best advised to shoot only to defend life. He was saying to take the "property" issues as they come up and evaluate each situation individually, and don't be in a hurry to shoot.
My wife and I live 2 miles out of town; our gravel road (from the paved County Road) is 1/2 mile long. Anyone I can see from my house needs a very good explanation of what he is doing there - but I don't think of shooting stranges on sight. The County guys who clean out the Count drainage ditch can be there, the pipeline guys can be there (but they ought to call first), and so forth.
At night, someone breaking into my barn/workshop is worth a call to 911, and a light on them, but not a long shot with my rifle. Someone breaking into my house at night - very different story, I fear for my life at that point.
This has been a very interesting thread. It is useful to think things through ahead of time, as much as possible - so one is not faced with life-or-death decisions with no forethought, when and if things go bad.
EDIT: Oh - I'm glad y'all like the Pets sign. They are such an important part of life - I have one cat, Zippy, who comes to dry my legs every morning when I get out of the shower. I start to get impatient - "Got to get to work!" and then stop and realize a few minutes with the cat, and a little affection, are among the things I go to work every day to earn the money to support.
Regards,
Andrew
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- Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:03 am
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I normally read these threads about the circumstances under which one would use deadly force with great interest, but don't usually respond. Want the education, usually have nothing useful to add.
Someone (on another forum) posted that some famous firearms trainer used the acronym IDOL - In Defence OF Life - to make it simple. I tend to agree, in the most general terms - I will draw and fire if it is the only way to preserve the life of a (relatively) innocent person (I know no one is totally innocent - I mean someone who was not asking for trouble).
At my last CHL renewal the instructor pointed out (A) in 9.42:
(quote)
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
(end quote)
His point is that much property is insured and therefore "recoverable by other means" in a sense. One might face charges for protecting property in that case. I'm not claiming he is absolutely right, just that one needs to be very, very sure before dropping the hammer on someone else (even if he is a "bad guy") for stealing - without his expressing violent intent toward any person.
As far as pets - my screen name comes from the two stuffed bobcats in my closet. Hunting/killing my furry family, in their own yard, is a fatal error. My cats are not my children, but I do consider them family.
I didn't write the following, but it is worth passing along to those who treasure their pets:
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To All Non-Pet Owners Who Visit & Like to Complain About Our Pets:
1. They live here. You don't.
2. If you don't want their hair on your clothes, stay off the furniture. (That's why they call it "fur"niture).
3. I like my pets a lot better than I like most people.
4. To you, it's an animal. To me, he/she is an adopted son/daughter who is short, hairy, walks on all fours and doesn't speak clearly.
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And, I might add, does want to borrow my truck, raise my insurance rates, or need college tuition paid for.
Regards,
Andrew
Someone (on another forum) posted that some famous firearms trainer used the acronym IDOL - In Defence OF Life - to make it simple. I tend to agree, in the most general terms - I will draw and fire if it is the only way to preserve the life of a (relatively) innocent person (I know no one is totally innocent - I mean someone who was not asking for trouble).
At my last CHL renewal the instructor pointed out (A) in 9.42:
(quote)
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
(end quote)
His point is that much property is insured and therefore "recoverable by other means" in a sense. One might face charges for protecting property in that case. I'm not claiming he is absolutely right, just that one needs to be very, very sure before dropping the hammer on someone else (even if he is a "bad guy") for stealing - without his expressing violent intent toward any person.
As far as pets - my screen name comes from the two stuffed bobcats in my closet. Hunting/killing my furry family, in their own yard, is a fatal error. My cats are not my children, but I do consider them family.
I didn't write the following, but it is worth passing along to those who treasure their pets:
------------------------------------------------------------------
To All Non-Pet Owners Who Visit & Like to Complain About Our Pets:
1. They live here. You don't.
2. If you don't want their hair on your clothes, stay off the furniture. (That's why they call it "fur"niture).
3. I like my pets a lot better than I like most people.
4. To you, it's an animal. To me, he/she is an adopted son/daughter who is short, hairy, walks on all fours and doesn't speak clearly.
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And, I might add, does want to borrow my truck, raise my insurance rates, or need college tuition paid for.
Regards,
Andrew