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OneGun wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:48 am

flowrie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:29 am

OneGun wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:20 am

flowrie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:19 pm Kick the rifle away and holster your firearm.
I can't really blame the police for this one.
Everything happens so fast and information is usually slow and inaccurate.

My issue with this shooting is that the officer shot the Good Sam without giving a warning. The Good Sam was in the middle of unloading the rifle when he was shot. He was not pointing a gun in the direction of people, he was not making any threats. The officer should not have merely executed the good sam without at least engaging him with commands to drop the weapon. The shoot first, ask questions later approach is not a best practice.

If you are out late at night and/or in a bad section of town, odds are greater that something bad will happen.
Similarly, when you pick up a weapon immediately after a shooting and the police arrive, odds are something bad will happen. The good guy unfortunately lost his situational awareness and drastically increased his odds of something bad happening, and it did happen.
Also, how does the LEO know that the good guy is unloading? Could have been reloading or clearing a malfunction.
How does the LEO know the description of the bad guy is accurate? Witness to 911 to the LEO. Is the LEO expected to risk his life based on a description from an unknown witness? It’s an unfortunate incident but I’m siding with the LEO on this one.

So the Freeze, Drop the Gun days are a thing of the past....

I don't know if it was ever truly a thing. Years ago in Houston there was an incident where one LEO shot another LEO responding to a crime with pistol in hand. It was dark and the LEO who was shot only had a POLICE t-shirt, not a uniform. There was another time a uniformed officer shot an undercover officer who was holding only a radio... the undercover officer survived and to explain there was never a "drop the radio" command...

In this particular incident, with an active shooter, the LEO was looking for an active shooter with a rifle in hand... shots had already been fired... so it was a big mistake... but to be fair in an active shooter situation the "drop the gun" command would put the LEO at risk.

Too many LEO's don't seem to understand that using cover when confronting an unknown contact is the best way to go. That way you can talk first instead of shoot first.

When dealing with active shooter situations, having a firearm in hand when police arrive is dangerous. It is the reason Paul Howe does not recommend using a long gun to stop an active shooter, as you can not conceal the long gun.

In an active shooter situation, my primary concerns are getting my family out and stopping the shooter.... and long guns are way better for that. So I don't think using a long gun is wrong, but picking up the shooters rifle afterwards was a big mistake.

Better to kick it away.

Shooting the Good Samaritan was also a big mistake, and I think there will be a payout... but that won't undo what happened.