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by Paladin
Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:50 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Federal gun sales databse
Replies: 31
Views: 10272

Re: Federal gun sales databse

"The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) has collected nearly 1 billion firearm purchase records. The government has now created a searchable digital database containing 866 million of these transactions, including some 54 million made in 2021 alone."

They are getting a lot of firearm purchase records from somewhere. 54 million in 2021 is way larger than the 38.9 million NICS checks done in 2021... so the ATF got another 15.1 million purchase records in addition to NICS checks in 2021 alone.

I can't imagine that out of business gun dealers sent the ATF that 15.1 million records in 2021 alone, so there is something going on here that does not appear to be public knowledge.

Would the government lie about spying on Americans? Edward Snowden says yes. Spyware is everywhere these days.
by Paladin
Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:47 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Federal gun sales databse
Replies: 31
Views: 10272

Re: Federal gun sales databse

Rafe wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:34 pm with a CHL/LTC I don't believe it ever hits the system as an NICS check
True. The ATF is almost certainly capturing LTC purchase information with the electronic 4473, but that would not show up on the NICS check count.

The NICS number don't count homemade firearms either.
by Paladin
Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:42 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Federal gun sales databse
Replies: 31
Views: 10272

Re: Federal gun sales databse

Rafe wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:27 pm The local plus import total for 2000 through 2019, then, would be about 215,418,585 newly manufactured firearms entering the marketplace, or about 10.77 million each year on average for the past 20 years.
That is a lot of guns!! I wouldn't be shocked if there were over 500 million guns in the US. Certainly the NICS checks show a whole lot more guns are being sold than produced, and the NICS checks don't apply to all transactions.
by Paladin
Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:54 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Federal gun sales databse
Replies: 31
Views: 10272

Re: Federal gun sales databse

John Lott weighs in:

Democrats Pushing Gun Registry as Precursor to Gun Ban
Two-thirds of Republicans believe the policy will lead to gun confiscation, and even 40 percent of Democrats believe the same. Confiscating legally owned firearms, it seems, is not merely a right-wing conspiracy theory.
Confiscation is the only thing registration is good for:
In a 2001 lawsuit, the Pennsylvania state police could not identify any crimes solved by their registration system from 1901 to 2001; however they did claim that it had “assisted” in a total of four cases, for which they could provide no details.

In a 2013 deposition for District of Columbia v. Heller II, the plaintiffs recorded that the Washington, D.C. police chief could not “recall any specific instance where registration records were used to determine who committed a crime, except for possession offenses.”

During testimony before the Hawaii State Senate in 2000, Honolulu’s police chief stated that he couldn’t find any crimes that had been solved due to registration and licensing. The chief also said that his officers devoted about 50,000 hours to registering and licensing guns each year. This is time that could have been spent on traditional, time-tested law enforcement activities.

New York and Maryland spent tens of millions of dollars putting together a computer database on all new guns sold in the past 15 years, even recording the ballistic fingerprint of each gun. But even these states, which strongly favor gun control, eventually abolished their systems because they never solved a single crime.
by Paladin
Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:32 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Federal gun sales databse
Replies: 31
Views: 10272

Re: Federal gun sales databse

jerry_r60 wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:50 am I assume they key at least meta data into a document management system, making searchable which batches of documents are in which box and where that box is stored.
I imagine they do keep metadata. From the video they appear to convert the paper records into electronic images as quickly as they can. There must be some system of organization for the electronic images.

In the not too distance past Form 4473's were only retained for 7 years by gun dealers... that was typically plenty of time as the "time to crime" for criminal guns is usually under 2 years.

What exactly is going on with the electronic 4473's is one of the million dollar questions. It appears these records are being kept indefinitely.
by Paladin
Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:54 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Federal gun sales databse
Replies: 31
Views: 10272

Re: Federal gun sales databse

The Gun Grabbers want these records retained indefinitely, but the ATF itself shows that long term record retention has little utility:

Options to Reduce or Modify Firearms Regulations
Pending ATF Regulation Regarding FFL Records Retention (20 years): ATF has a
regulation pending at DOJ to increase the requirements for FFLs to retain records
indefinitely. The current standard is 20 years, and records older than 20 years can be
destroyed. The intent of the change from 20 years to indefinite retention is to provide
access to records for firearms traces over longer periods of time. However, many argue
that crime guns are not frequently recovered with times to crimes from purchases over
20 years old. Also, older firearms possessed by criminals frequently transfer hands
several times and a trace will often not lead to the criminal after so much time has
passed.
ATF has averaged approximately 1,200 failed traces a year over the past 5 years
due to records destruction, accounting for less than one half of one percent of traces
conducted nationally each year.
While such an extension is arguably a viable law
enforcement intelligence tool, much of the firearms industry is opposed to such a
change and a closer review of this proposal could be beneficial.
by Paladin
Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:24 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Federal gun sales databse
Replies: 31
Views: 10272

Re: Federal gun sales databse

National Tracing Center in Martinsburg West Virginia:

For the Gun Grabbers this isn't enough:

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